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[charlene]

Jessie-Joe - your alias as Diana fooled no one. Please stop it and stop the distasteful comments. Accept responsibility for your part in this fracas, don't blame anyone else for people being incensed by your words and keep the asides that creep into your posts from happening. If you dish it out you can expect to get it back.

That goes for everyone.
But the owner of this board or myself will be deleting the objectionable stuff from now so this doesn't happen anymore.

And I believe I am correct in saying that what Florian (and I to an extent) say is objectionable and should be deleted is HIS choice. This is his place. Let's act accordingly as we should in someone else's home.

Let's all just take a breath, step back, leave it alone...suppostitions have been made about some members being trolls...others about not being who they say they are and that I should know who they are. I'm sorry but I don't. If ISP numbers can be changed/doctored etc. I have no idea how to check those things.

Why anyone would want to play these games on this message board that Florian has so graciously allowed us to have is beyond me.

Starting inflammatory threads to inflame and antagonize is not the purpose of this board. Regardless of perceived insults or real insults.

Contact me or Florian - there is a "Report Post" option to use.

I will (and so will Florian)be immediately deleting anything along these lines from now on.

This is Florian's living room and this behaviour has to stop.

For those who want to keep at it there is a Private Message option. If the person you are trying to contact has you blocked then please give it up.

For those who wish to hurl personal insults you face being banned. Yes you can just come back as another identity but why bother?

I've read it all - the insults , the responses, the justifications...it's time to stop.
Everyone has had their say...good/bad or indifferent..

For those who feel they can do a better job and wish to participate in these free-for-alls they are welcome to move on to their own site and do so.

thank you Florian and thank all of you for your time and consideration.

Char

[charlene]

Jessie-Joe - your alias as Diana fooled no one. Please stop it and stop the distasteful comments. Accept responsibility for your part in this fracas, don't blame anyone else for people being incensed by your words and keep the asides that creep into your posts from happening. If you dish it out you can expect to get it back.

That goes for everyone.
But the owner of this board or myself will be deleting the objectionable stuff from now so this doesn't happen anymore.

And I believe I am correct in saying that what Florian (and I to an extent) say is objectionable and should be deleted is HIS choice. This is his place. Let's act accordingly as we should in someone else's home.

Let's all just take a breath, step back, leave it alone...suppostitions have been made about some members being trolls...others about not being who they say they are and that I should know who they are. I'm sorry but I don't. If ISP numbers can be changed/doctored etc. I have no idea how to check those things.

Why anyone would want to play these games on this message board that Florian has so graciously allowed us to have is beyond me.

Starting inflammatory threads to inflame and antagonize is not the purpose of this board. Regardless of perceived insults or real insults.

Contact me or Florian - there is a "Report Post" option to use.

I will (and so will Florian)be immediately deleting anything along these lines from now on.

This is Florian's living room and this behaviour has to stop.

For those who want to keep at it there is a Private Message option. If the person you are trying to contact has you blocked then please give it up.

For those who wish to hurl personal insults you face being banned. Yes you can just come back as another identity but why bother?

I've read it all - the insults , the responses, the justifications...it's time to stop.
Everyone has had their say...good/bad or indifferent..

For those who feel they can do a better job and wish to participate in these free-for-alls they are welcome to move on to their own site and do so.

thank you Florian and thank all of you for your time and consideration.

Char

[SilverHeels]

Thank you, Char, and thank you Florian. Perhaps now Corfid can return to the happy, warm and caring forum it was intended to be - and always was until this past year or so. Corfid was given to Lightfoot fans/friends. It was never intended to be what some have turned it into. I can only imagine Lightfoot's disgust if he or any member of his family, or band member, lurked here for a few days!

[Borderstone]

Charlene....some people start things like that because:

A:They're bored and have nothing better to do.

B:They think it's funny,which it isn't.

C:They're immature

D:They're starved for attention.

E:Lastly,they think they wont get caught.

You tell 'em!

[Cathy]

And remember... there's a posibility that the people at EMP read this group. There's no better way to get on their shit list than by posting this hateful garbage.

And it drives the good people away. Believe it or not, there are still a lot of people who want to discuss Gord and his music.

[Gord H]

I'm lost here what happened? Can someone please give me the Coles version?

Thanks

Gord

[BILLW]

OK Char I'll second that motion ! Now let's all return to Lightfoot.

Bill

[geodeticman]

Thank you Char and Florian - I'd only been in 8 months so far and saw change in that time. I made 8 or so good friends and sadly, 1/2 lost interest, and I can only hope they keep returning as i se a few have.

It is so nice to think of talking without fear of being burned, about Lightfoot and his music. I appreciate the work you two.
Geo Steve

[charlene]

Jesse-Joe - I have not deleted anything. So therefore I did not put it back.
Don't surmise what you do not know.

If it's deleted it is gone and can't be put back as far as I know.

In your P.M. (do oyou inderstand what PRIVATE Message means) you asked if I thought things were justified regarding the Invitation thread and why another post was put back.

My opinion on justification is not relevant. And I didn't know what post you were talking about.

And I have been a tad busy the last few days.

Now that you have let everyone know you contacted me in a PRIVATE message and I didn't reply, I hope you feel better. That is the only reason you mentioned it yet you have now e-mailed me today.

Your concern for what might NOW 'flare-up as a big mess' after the last few days is suspect at the very least.

You say "you simply let it go."
Well then please do just that - and move on, stop picking at it and learn from all of this as I hope everyone has and understand what I posted.

Florian is in full agreement and has endorsed it all.

It will be a few more months until the new site is up and running as there are 'technical difficulties' in transferring all the data archived here.

Until then I fervently wish all will be cordial, respectful and posted with the thought that we are all here as Lightfoot fans.

Char

[charlene]

Jesse-Joe - I have not deleted anything. So therefore I did not put it back.
Don't surmise what you do not know.

If it's deleted it is gone and can't be put back as far as I know.

In your P.M. (do oyou inderstand what PRIVATE Message means) you asked if I thought things were justified regarding the Invitation thread and why another post was put back.

My opinion on justification is not relevant. And I didn't know what post you were talking about.

And I have been a tad busy the last few days.

Now that you have let everyone know you contacted me in a PRIVATE message and I didn't reply, I hope you feel better. That is the only reason you mentioned it yet you have now e-mailed me today.

Your concern for what might NOW 'flare-up as a big mess' after the last few days is suspect at the very least.

You say "you simply let it go."
Well then please do just that - and move on, stop picking at it and learn from all of this as I hope everyone has and understand what I posted.

Florian is in full agreement and has endorsed it all.

It will be a few more months until the new site is up and running as there are 'technical difficulties' in transferring all the data archived here.

Until then I fervently wish all will be cordial, respectful and posted with the thought that we are all here as Lightfoot fans.

Char

[johnfowles]

Originally posted by Gord H:
I'm lost here what happened? Can someone please give me the Coles version?

Thanks

Gord

Gord I have no idea what a Coles version is. But I'll guess something like a schoolbook literary interpretation/guide or synopsis,and like you I was completely mystified by all this.For some reason I had omitted to notice and read the small talk topic on Doctor Who which became a quite unecesarily personal attacking topic.

[ August 23, 2006, 19:26: Message edited by: johnfowles ]

[johnfowles]

Originally posted by Gord H:
I'm lost here what happened? Can someone please give me the Coles version?

Thanks

Gord

Gord I have no idea what a Coles version is. But I'll guess something like a schoolbook literary interpretation/guide or synopsis,and like you I was completely mystified by all this.For some reason I had omitted to notice and read the small talk topic on Doctor Who which became a quite unecesarily personal attacking topic.

[ August 23, 2006, 19:26: Message edited by: johnfowles ]

[SilverHeels]

And Always Remember, LIGHTFOOT IS THE MAN HERE.
[/QB]

I do wish you'd remember that a wee bit more, JJ.
:D

[Cathy]

I think it's time we just drop this entire subject and move on. Jesse has apologized sincerely, and I think we should just accept it and get on with discussing Lightfoot.

[geodeticman]

I'd like to amend a quickly typed statement from above, as I do not wish to offend anyone who I know in corfid as friend. Above, I stated to quickly in the past I'd made about 8 or so friends, and 1/2 had lost interest latetly !

Too quick I speak, It was more like 12 - 18 good friends, and most are still around a lot, seeing the others around more. I hope I did not cause any friend to feel slighted, as I'd rcv'd a few PM's to that effect I fear.

Wonder not, those I talk too directly that have openly exchanged info (and small talk!) is a friend, and indeed, I call anyone who loves Lightfoot music a friend in making by definition ! I hope this bright note is a cheerful thing. Sorry if I sounded a bit too...discerning...call it bad math ! LOL
BTW - I have no enemies - in the spirit of Gordon's music. <<<<<<<<<<corfidians >>>>>>>>>

geo Steve

[Jesse Joe]

Geo Steve, you are my friend. I hope no one is able to drive you away from me. I consider you one of the most friendly people on Corfid. By the way how is the Mrs doing. I though you had posted she was not feeling well, a few days ago. Hope everything is going better. Keep always your good enthousiast. Paddle friend... Jesse.

[Jesse Joe]

Geo Steve, you are my friend. I hope no one is able to drive you away from me. I consider you one of the most friendly people on Corfid. By the way how is the Mrs doing. I though you had posted she was not feeling well, a few days ago. Hope everything is going better. Keep always your good enthousiast. Paddle friend... Jesse.

[geodeticman]

JJ
Thank you for the compliment. I try very hard to be friendly, and you can always count on me being truthtful and genuine. Oh... and I 'spect talking too much, but I am working on it.LOL

JJ - regarding friendship [the subject] versus the strong presumption of ,and unhealthy worry about on your part concerns me, for your sake. If you wish to speak of it in open forum, versus PM's which I engage in rarely (about 38 in 9 months !), compared to the numbers I hear about.

I feel bad for you JJ, as you wear your heart on your sleeve, as I did when I first came back to PC usage here in corfid, and also , as you, heavily sought peer acceptance too quickly at first, versus now where I am more careful to slowly make friends.

As far as others having a profound effect on how I view you, I make up my own mind, on my own criteria. For those who gossip idly,versus quality talk in either PM or forum, I offer the following once again, despite it being a very bad generalization not always applicable, but thought provoking as I think I said before.

I have a friend I grew up with who is a Russian Orthodox Monk for about 25 years now , after being as wild a womanizer and partyer as I ever knew in High School and College. He also, oddly, was quite the rennaisance man in his interests.

One night where he regretted multiple encounters, he was profoundly struck by the music of GL on the Don Quixote album (he'd never listened to GL before except radio), and John Renbourne's "Sir John a Lot Of"
Rennaisance era-sounding classical guitar album.

He had an epiphone after listening to both, I'd say not due to the music so much as the conversation it stimulated. He decided to shuck the wildoats, booze, and womanizing. "I'll have a thousand before I'm through") - which he may have come close too on the Purdue Campus in Lafayette, Indiana.

He then, of all things, was inspired to pursue education for and ultimately enter the monastic life from there on out. Point of this anecdote in better part is the thought he was mulling over and left with me to consider as a friend.


I'd been complaining and worrying that whole day and evening about who was really a good friend, who was not, and was pointing fingers and being judgemental about others with half-baked knowledge, as was he. He had the revelation, and I was left with the quote to ponder. LOL.

Sort of, "where have our ideals been?, and what do we really hold important?" He was referring to himself most profoundly, but it struck me too.

The following quote is a gross generalization, and does not pertain to the exchanges I have enjoyed with friends in corfid, in PM and forum. But the words are worth contemplating. Sometimes true in part or in full:

* small minds talk about people.
** average minds talk about things.
*** great minds speak of ideas.

JJ I guess the point to ponder may be just worrying to much over "people", versus the higher ideals of what you hold valuable in character, genuine nature, morals, ethics, etc. They come thru in your posts over time. Friends will follow. Friends you try to make too fast will either inadvertantly leave you feeling hurt, or take advantage.

I'd be a lttle more discerning over who and how fast you call friend. For your sake. And others tend to be reluctant to call someone friends quickly, as most people are taught good friends are made slowly, you know ? So don't set your self up.

I've read of the things that annoy people at times about you, just I annoy people with my habits of writing on and on and on. Well, except for here, I work on that.

You make your presence almost unavoidable, and feel compelled to reply to everyone's comment whether the post was specifically directed at you.

We all of course should feel welcome to comment on one another's posts. When it seems like you are room monitoring, it feels like you are being overly-solicitous and, i think, placing yourself unwittingly in a position where people think you are trying to be in control of a room.

Sometimes it may seem to them they cannot make a comment without you holding up a card saying 1 - 10 on it, and telling them they did very well. Or, sometimes you fall back on things all GL major fans hold true in general, and hence are "truisms" and when we speak them, it sounds as if we are preaching to the choir. Most find this annoying.

One other thought JJ, I have some very good friends in the forum you have been doing major battle with at various times, mostly over the last month or two. The post deleting doesn't cut it, and while I do not know the truth personally as to whether you have any other personas/IDS out there, generally speaking when that many people yell smoke, there generally is fire.

I remain open minded JJ, and I've never said you are not a friend. I believe our respective behaviour over time will determine how you think of me and vice-versa. No need to be in a hurry.
No one is trying to drive a wedge between us, either. I assure you.

It would be awhile before that would be a relevant thing anyway, if you and I decided over time we are good friends. And BTW , when I say you can seem annoying by certain behavior, I am trying to do you a favour by letting you know the basic kind if things I needed to hear at first, and I do not think you are an annoying person.

I just think you are a tough enough man that would want to hear truth some have substituted slams for. Others, like many of the people I correspond with, have been quite understanding with your (and my !) "annoying things".

Another thing - many of us have come to worry about you some times, so don't scare us with the "suicide..maybe ?" stuff. Not funny, man.

None of this is a slam at all about you JJ, I think much of it, to tell you the truth, is things that people who call you good friend should have told you for awhile now anyway. I think some have tried here and there. But, I am not saying them in anger.

I was told by several VERY good people that in reality, they DID in fact find MY long posts wearisome and hard to get thru. This was after I learned to break up into paragraphs, even just chunks of lines, so as to be easier to read.

And, fewer run-on sentences. I still do these things off and on, but somewhat less. This long post totally blows my short post resolution, but I wanted you you to have a fair shake here.

Seems to me you are a bit misunderstood. A lot of us have had real bad, even tragic medical backgrounds, so if anything there strikes a note, you are not alone. I read your apology on trolling, and as Cathy wisely said,"he apologized, lets move on" . Cool.

I take it for granted that what I did not even know you were doing, you have stopped. But, you know, if I get to many criteria for friends, I could never be my own friend ! LOL

OK JJ - u take care and thanks for asking about my wife. - geo steve

P.S. Point being, be more concerned of your own ideals than what others say about you, or, worse yet, what you fear they say. You'll drive yourself crazy wondering about that, like, how is it you said "like the fly who walks up the wall" or something LOL. Don't worry. I'll end with this. Gord is the man , right ? So... when in doubt, what would he do in a given situation, as quiet, humble, good, decent, and kind a talented man as he is ?
Take care JJ
geo Steve

[geodeticman]

jj - SORRY , in all that follderoll up there I forgot to tell you HOW Merry is doing, Not well.

Insurance dictates how much and what is to be in-patient, such as the few notes I have sent from the hospital. Other times insurance dictates I take care of her in home health care for her current ailment,

I am distracted and worried , and she prefers the exact nature of it remain discrete for now.

Sorry I can't tell you whats wrong, but it will profoundly effect the rest of her life.

Thanks again for asking. JJ

First my medical stories when I entered corfid at first.... I let preceed me, then Dad died, and I was trashed..... now Merry is very ill. I must seem like a sad-sack.

Nope, just getting used to it, frighteningly.
God help me for coping the way I am. My bite may be worse than usual, if so, please forgive me.

Anyone wants to, a word for my wife again would be very much appreciated.
Thanks geo Steve

[SilverHeels]

Jessie-Joe,
you need to read Geo-Steve's words and take them on board. He is a good and wise man and he means
you well.

Geo-Steve, you're ok, my friend. Hang in there. The candle is still burning brightly.

[RM]

Geo-Steve,

You expressed yourself well. I do hope that your current travail is alleviated as soon as possible.
That time is in the hands of a higher power.

Which leads me to ask........Are you saying that by listening to Lightfoot, I may evolve into a Monk ??

Wishing you the best, sincerely,

RMD

[geodeticman]

Silverheels

Thanks again on all counts; kind words,all.

I hope you are doing well, and thanks for the candles....very much
g s

[geodeticman]

RMD

Thank you for the additional vote of confidence in a post I thought very hard about. I wish all corfifians well. I appreciate the thought on my travails. Merry's are much harder right now, though.

LOL if you wish to be a monk, you must first make sure you are, shall we say, done with the thousand, so to speak.

Then , yes, listen to DQ, and The Soul is a Rock, and "Renbourne's Rennaissance riff", and summarize the three into a common unified field theory, in a 45 page single-space, one run-on sentence application in Latin.

Then study vigorously for 6 - 8 years. Then vow to speak in Latin, wear a scratchy wool robe year-round, and chant a lot. Your accomodations would probably get 5-star on price-line.com. - a single bed 20 - 30 years old, one 2x2 x 2 1/2 high table , one student size desk, and one Lamp.

Oh - and you gotta let them pick your new name - like "Flounder", or "Bluto", or in the case of my friend, who was "Doug", and is now "Father Sergius" - even to old friends. He's maid me some cool art for the house, and is who I call when I got a "who you gonna call?" problem!

hehe LOL thanks RMD, and for the kind thoughts on Merry - she is indeed in the big guy's hands right now. I am, all joking aside, getting bone-weary, and ought to call Father Sergius for a battery recharge.
g s

[geodeticman]

Silverheels,

One more thought I was hanging on first with a 1" diameter soft nylon rope with knots every 2 feet, and was clipped in. Then, it changed to a 11mm standard climbing rope with only a prusik sling. Now, it feels like I am down to a 6mm perlon linewrapped twice around my wrist and hand, no sit-harness, jumar, or prusik, just squeezing too tight I think my hands will never work. Had to vent to someone that knows me well enough to know I am not really wallowing in self-pity, buy rather using humour as a positive self-talk thang using self-deprecating humour. Ask the boys over at the local climbing shop about all that stuff, and you'll see the logical progression of it getting harder to.. hang on.

good to hear ya again Silverheels. Are you in the lee of.... your Island I hope ? It sure sounds good.
g steve

[Jesse Joe]

Thank you very much GeoSteve, you are a wiseman. Always thought of you as a good generous person.

Sorry to hear about you wife.

Will never forget your wise word of wisdom. Jesse.

"PEACE AND LOVE TO YOU AND YOUR BELOVED WIFE."

[ August 30, 2006, 07:16: Message edited by: Jesse -Joe ]