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Old 10-19-2010, 04:45 PM   #1
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The Canadian Press - ONLINE EDITION
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/ent...105281873.html
Ian Tyson says he wrote revealing new memoir because he needed the money
By: Nick Patch, The Canadian Press

Posted: 19/10/2010 2:04 PM TORONTO - When asked why he decided to write his first memoir, Ian Tyson doesn't rhyme off any romantic notions about fulfilling a long-time dream of publishing his first book or finally letting fans hear his life story.

Nope, Tyson says, he simply did it for the money.

"They made me an offer, an offer of an advance, and that's why I agreed to do it," Tyson, 77, said during an interview in Toronto this week. "I agreed to do it for the money, 'cause I needed the money at the time.

"And that's the straight goods."

There's considerably more where that came from.

Yes, "The Long Trail" is a raw, stark and at times even unflattering, but consistently honest portrayal of the Victoria native.

Tyson writes about his infidelity, his sometimes-questionable parenting and the two bitter divorces he's endured. Also fair game: his drug arrest, his occasional bar brawls and his erstwhile distaste for other Canadian music icons.

"I can't see any point in writing bullshit," Tyson said matter-of-factly, though he conceded that he had modest expectations for the memoir.

"I can't imagine what anybody finds interesting in the book. ... (I've said), 'I don't know who the hell's going to want to read this thing.'"

Tyson is still perhaps best-known for being one-half of the well-loved 1960s folk duo Ian & Sylvia with ex-wife Sylvia Stricker (now Sylvia Tyson). Their melancholic hit "Four Strong Winds" remains a mainstay on lists of the best Canadian songs ever recorded.

But Tyson has divided most of his life between two passions largely unrelated to his folkie past: living the cowboy life on his Alberta ranch, and the country career that's followed his 1980s rebirth as a Western music traditionalist with sharp storytelling skills.

Yet while Tyson wasn't interested in sugar-coating the truth, he did concede that writing about his marital struggles was, at times, difficult.

He divorced from Sylvia Tyson in 1975 after pursuing a relationship with another woman, sometimes cavorting with his mistress openly in front of his son, Clay, who was a child at the time.

"I wasn't being very sensitive about the whole thing, that's for sure," Tyson writes.

He found a more enduring relationship in 1978 when he met a waitress named Twylla Dvorkin, who was only 17 at the time. Tyson, then in his mid-40s, knew that their relationship was inciting gossip among the locals, but he didn't care. They soon married and had a daughter, Adelita, who now lives in Texas.

But the couple eventually drifted apart, divorcing in 2008. His wounds still fresh, Tyson had a hard time probing the end of their relationship.

"Iwanted to be honest about it and fair, but it was a tough divorce and pretty acrimonious," he said. "Twylla hasn't got the book yet. We talked a little while back and she's quite anxious about it. She's probably concerned about what will be in it.

"But I'm hoping that she'll find it fair. I think we're past all that bitterness."

Similarly, Tyson says his once-icy relationships with Canadian music contemporaries have thawed over the years.

In the book, he writes that he was once bitter about Stompin' Tom Connors' popularity, that he felt the mainstream acceptance of Connors' work was "condescending and patronizing."

And he says he was also jealous of Gordon Lightfoot, whom Tyson felt didn't do enough to help those who gave him a boost along the way.

"We've all mellowed," Tyson says now. "We've all gotten old. Those things pass over time. They're competitive people, and I'm competitive, and I think, it was a little pie in those days. You couldn't all share in that same pie.

"And I was very much an outsider during that period here, and that was of my own making, 'cause if there was any fault in it, it would have been my fault."

Of course, the adventures of a music star-cowboy aren't all so dark. The book reiterates the long-held story that Tyson introduced Bob Dylan to marijuana.

"Idon't remember doing it, but (Dylan girlfriend) Suze Rotolo (says so)," he recalled with a smile. "(Rotolo) and Bob Dylan, they were together through that Greenwich Village period, so I guess she would know.

"Tom Russell, the songwriter, said: 'You turned on Bob Dylan, Bob Dylan turned on the Beatles. So that makes you the king.'"

Tyson has a reputation in the industry for being notoriously prickly, which he actually references several times in the book (though he prefers the adjective "irascible.")

He betrayed no signs of such irritability on this day, however, chatting warmly about the sometimes-uncomfortable details of his life.

Tyson is pleased with where he stands in his career. He was forced to change his singing style in recent years due to scarring on his vocal cords, but he says he's been told his newly gritty rasp lends his songs more hard-won relevance.

His last record was 2008's "Yellowhead to Yellowstone and Other Love Stories," but Tyson says he has more songs ready and plans to record soon.

"We're going to record 'em ourselves at the ranch and put 'em online," he said.

"I think we'll go with iTunes — whatever that is, I don't know. But I have people who do know what it is."

Though he long struggled to accept his folk legacy, he's at peace with it now. Over the summer, he decided he wanted to play the big folk festivals, even instructing his agent to take a reduced fee if necessary.

"I wasn't sure my music would be relevant to those people," he said. "Those young people, they don't know who I am, and the older people think I'm dead. So I knew I wouldn't be preaching to the choir.

"I was blown away at the reception we got. 'Cause I didn't do the old stuff. I had to do 'Four Strong Winds' because they'll throw me in jail at the end of the show if I didn't do that. But that's the only old song I did. I did all what I write now.

"And I was sure they wouldn't be familiar with those songs. So I was very, very pleased."

The end of Tyson's memoir finds the singer in a dark place, dealing with the dissolution of his second marriage and various minor medical ailments.

Asked for an update on how he's doing, Tyson is positive.

"Well, things are more even. They've evened out," he said. "Through the difficult times ... I handled it inside the music. The music really pulled me through, and my horses, but the horse thing, that's a more abstract kind of thing. The music really helped a lot. The music got stronger, you know.

"Hank Williams said a broken heart doesn't hurt your songwriting, and he was sure right about that."
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It will be fascinating to hear him speak of his life and career and hear him sing on Thursday night.
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Old 10-19-2010, 07:27 PM   #3
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WOW. I'm not sure I could be that candid (Not that anyone would really care).
You've got to give Ian credit for being honest.

Char, the sesstion on Thursday should be really interesting. Enjoy.

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He found a more enduring relationship in 1978 when he met a waitress named Twylla Dvorkin, who was only 17 at the time. Tyson, then in his mid-40s
What was he thinking ????!!!

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And he says he was also jealous of Gordon Lightfoot, whom Tyson felt didn't do enough to help those who gave him a boost along the way.
I wonder what he means by that........maybe the answer is in the book.
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Ron, I wouldn't dare to express my personal opinion on either of those issues, but if he 'splains himself on Thursday I'll let you know.
Tyson will also be at Hugh's Room on Friday and Saturday night..it's possible Lightfoot may show up but please understand I'm not speaking for him. I'm just going by past times when he did go to Ian's shows there so it's a possibility.

Brian - I'm going to pick up a copy of the book because it sounds like an honest, heartfelt write. Ian was on CTV yesterday morning and he certainly said some very, very honest things in his interview about the book. In my opinion I don't think it's in him to be anything but truthful.

I'll let you know how the event goes..
I'm also quite excited about hearing Jim Cuddy...
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I wonder what he means by that........maybe the answer is in the book.
the answer wasn't in the book i just finished...i picked it up at 'stagnant'/used book library sale for $0.50...I Never Sold My Saddle 1996

also, this 'comes clean' article was in the Globe:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...e676674/page1/

i wish GL would do a TV doc like Ian did (ie. visits to some of the folks who were significant and/or helpful along his musical journey)

Ian, if you talked about your songwriting in the new book, i will find it interesting...you are going to have a grand time and you deserve it, char! ( +Sylvia likely to give intro to the evening again)
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Old 10-20-2010, 05:51 AM   #7
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Very interesting article. The parrallels between him and Gord at this stage of their lives are sort of interesting too. The image of the 74 year old, star, working away single-handedly on his ranch is fascinating.

I think I'll buy this book. I really do enjoy the seven Ian and Sylvia albums I have.

Is that a previous autobiography of his you mention jj?
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Is that a previous autobiography of his you mention jj?
hey there....i hope you have seen the clips of the Ian 'Songs from the Gravel Road' thread here? funny seeing he and GL together and trying out Red Velvet and airing out some thoughts (neither seeming to listen to the other one much, lol...i have old aunts like that )

btw, yes:

112 pages . illustrated with 48 color and B&W photographs, including young Ian, Ian & Sylvia, Ian with his horse, and more . with never-before-published lead sheets for 11 favorite Ian Tyson songs . + a complete discography of recordings by Ian & Sylvia and Ian Tyson . This is one big tall handsome book, 8-1/2 x 11 " size; palomino-colored boards with Gold gilt title impressed on spine, in glossy color photographic jacket, with a great closeup of Ian on the front in a jean jacket and white cowboy hat . This book was published in 1994 by Gibbs Smith in Utah, simultaneously with Douglas & McIntyre in Canada . This is the American First Edition, the real deal, stated First, with the full number line . Many music lovers know Ian Tyson as a cowboy singer . others remember him as half of the 60s folk act " Ian and Sylvia " . Fans will be fascinated with this no-holds-barred autobiography of t he legendary Tyson . Anecdotes of life on the road in the free and easy 60s . intimate recollections of his musical career . his life as a cowboy . and his two marriages . provide a new understanding of the man and his timeless music . . With lyrics for many Ian Tyson songs, Leaving Cheyenne, Navajo Rug & more , + sheet music for some of Ian's favorites of his own songs . including Four Strong Winds, Magpie, Jaquima to Freno, M.C. Horses, and more . " I Never Sold My Saddle " . by Ian Tyson , with Colin Escott . published by Greystone Publishing, Vancouver 1994
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Jerry Jeff Walker (an old buddy of GL) and Ian: (1991)
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hey there....i hope you have seen the clips of the Ian 'Songs from the Gravel Road' thread here?
found some prior discussions you may have missed, youngstranger


http://www.corfid.com/vbb/showthread...ighlight=tyson

http://www.corfid.com/vbb/showthread...rry+jeff+tyson

and here is when ian hooks up with sylvia...bit of a video synching problem

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=...18/Ch7LoY5qGgU

hey, char...think ian and sylvia will do FSW tomorrow night? hope he does the recent and haunting Love Without End

i am guessing JC will do Bulletproof, Try and hopefully a solo one, Everybody Cries or maybe a more uptempo one that doesn't rely on instrumental soloing...any predictions? also, wonder what tune the young guest artist will do

the $30 discount special is enticing...i did find a nice single, centre seat, front row...balcony, lol...that would be great actually (to take in the full scene from that perspective...i love massey also in the balcony) but not realistic to think i can slide out the back door for 4 hours...have one for me!
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agh, about 20 tunes from the pair of them just came into my mind, too many choices to predict really...i forgot about Too Many Hands or how about Rita (for his actress wife )

i hope JC wears a cowboy yolk shirt in keeping with tradition, like the beauty he has on here for this canadian county classic...love the video treatment (and Mel!)

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James - JC can just stand there. We three in the 2nd row will be more than happy.
I note that Ian has a few hawaiian flower shirts...
Cuddy wears the cowboy shirts a lot...it will be funny if the real cowboy wears flowers and Cuddy is in the cowboy shirt.
I'm not sure if Sylvia is still pres. of Songwriters Assoc. Could be someone else this year. But it would be wonderful, in my opinion, to have them sing it together like they did at Mariposa. Be still my heart.
So many song choices...maybe a duet might happen. !!
Don't have a clue who Wayne Petti of Cuff The Duke is..I've heard of the group tho.

c'mon - get a ticket and head to the big city!
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I note that Ian has a few hawaiian flower shirts...
Cuddy wears the cowboy shirts a lot...it will be funny if the real cowboy wears flowers and Cuddy is in the cowboy shirt.
lol, well i think he (and Gord...and billw too! lol) should take then to goodwill!

who is the third? shrek? kenyon?

wow, you really like the stickman frame, lol (Cuddy, gordo, dwighto)

i wish Heff could tinkle some real piano on stage (Massey has a beauty already there, always in tune!) for so many GL cuts...instead of the boingy e-piano colourings...then GL could also walk over and give us a few old classics himself, including some Liberace, lol


well, i'll have to get the audio only version...too much stuff to do here for winter-prep (and rain coming in a few hours, what a stretch of dry we just had)

back to the Subject...as Gord says to Ian in the clip, 'like H3LL you're jealous!!'
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the three amigos will be me, lisa and patti.
it's not ALL Lighfoot all the time for her either.
lolol
oh my that's a lovely video...we'll be about that close on Thursday..
security be ready!
We pass that beach in SONGBIRD video on the GO train ride to/from TO.
New reclamation projects over the last few years.
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We pass that beach in SONGBIRD video on the GO train ride to/from TO.
New reclamation projects over the last few years.
i will have to check that out, news to me, thanks...patti, eh? lol
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i will have to check that out, news to me, thanks...patti, eh? lol
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some of what Ian said on TV yesterdaynot my opinions or thoughts)

re: 4 strong winds.-albert grossman was mngr., in his office in greenwich village.. dylan was client too. i didn't understand his songs. Figured ‘I could do that’.
Took an hour to write to write 4 strong winds..

Best song is always last one I wrote.

4 st.winds doesn’t belong to him. It belongs to fabric and culture of Canada.
It hasn’t anything to do with me anymore. I get cheques tho.

Have to work to afford a ranch..

Difficult divorce in last 5 years. That's behind me now. Music was refuge and escape. Gives himself over to music and forgets problems.

Wouldn’t change much, wishes he’d worked harder on writing skills, had more focus.
Fell in love with English language in my 40’s.
"Wish I’d started it earlier."
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some of what Ian said on TV yesterdaynot my opinions or thoughts)

re: 4 strong winds.-albert grossman was mngr., in his office in greenwich village.. dylan was client too. i didn't understand his songs. Figured ‘I could do that’.
Took an hour to write to write 4 strong winds..

Best song is always last one I wrote.

4 st.winds doesn’t belong to him. It belongs to fabric and culture of Canada.
It hasn’t anything to do with me anymore. I get cheques tho.

Have to work to afford a ranch..

Difficult divorce in last 5 years. That's behind me now. Music was refuge and escape. Gives himself over to music and forgets problems.

Wouldn’t change much, wishes he’d worked harder on writing skills, had more focus.
Fell in love with English language in my 40’s.
"Wish I’d started it earlier."
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I get cheques tho.
I know very little about Tyson, except for the songwriting credit given on Neil Young's "Comes A Time' LP, and what I've gathered from this and other threads. He sounds like a character who, as time winds down, is coming to terms with life's 'slide rule'.
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I know very little about Tyson, except for the songwriting credit given on Neil Young's "Comes A Time' LP, and what I've gathered from this and other threads. He sounds like a character who, as time winds down, is coming to terms with life's 'slide rule'.
That's sums it up quite well...he just turned 77 last month. He's a 'no bullshit' kind of man who seems at peace with the choices he's made in his life. And is more than open in the telling.
It should be quite interesting tomorrow night. I just hope that Laurie Brown asks some intelligent questions.
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.Ben Kaplan · Wednesday, Oct. 20, 2010

Doctors have made Ian Tyson stop drinking hard alcohol and so the Canadian legend orders Chardonnay. “I’d rather be drinking Grey Goose, but that gets out of control,” says the 77-year-old musician, taking his seat at a downtown Toronto bar.

Tyson, a recipient of the Order of Canada and a member of the Juno Hall of Fame, is visiting Toronto from his home in Alberta to promote his new memoir, The Long Trail: My Life in the West. “It wasn’t going to be War and Peace, that’s for sure,” says Tyson, who writes candidly in his book about his tragedies and triumphs in the five decades he’s spent writing songs. “I didn’t know if I could write the damned thing and then I didn’t know who the hell would want to read about all that cowboy stuff, but the last couple of days have been a pleasant surprise.”

Written with the same plain-spoken elegance as Tyson’s most famous records, the book not only talks about the breakout of Ian & Sylvia in the early 1960s and the reception of 1987’s Cowboyography, but also Tyson’s squandered marriages, and his ensuing financial woes.

“Some of the early stuff is real vivid, I can see it, but then I don’t remember last week,” says Tyson, looking every inch of the Western icon in his work boots, faded denim and immaculate white hat. “I’ve gotten the s--t kicked out of me, and writing the book was very emotional, but if you can make it through life’s trials and tribulations, it’s cool.”

Cool is something that comes effortlessly to Tyson, who still works everyday on his ranch. “I’m getting to the point where I dread some of those mornings where it’s 20-below and the wind’s howling and the live stocks got to be fed. You think, ‘What am I doing here?’ ” he says. “It’s so tough and beautiful, but you’ve got to respect it. In my life, you’re defined by the land.”

Influenced by novelists such as Jack Kerouac, Ernest Hemingway and Cormac McCarthy, Tyson writes without sentimentality about losing his voice, the origin of cowboy poetry and what it takes to become a true man of the West.

“Nobody knows what the word ‘cowboy’ means anymore, but among the real inside guys, guys we call ‘lifers,’ that word’s the highest compliment you can give,” Tyson explains. “You’re saying he can do all the stuff that a cowboy’s supposed to do — stuff you can’t fake — but mostly it just means that his word is good.”

Today, Tyson’s writing songs again, music that’s stripped down in the manner of the last releases from Johnny Cash. He says there’s going to be a new DVD recorded in Alberta, but when he gets home after his book tour, he’s going to return to his love of art.

“I want to paint skulls, ram skulls. Kind of like in the Georgia O’Keeffe tradition,” Tyson says, draining his wine. “If it’s emotionally draining I may just say, ‘Screw it,’ but I don’t think it will be. I think it will be fun.”

The Long Trail: My Life in the West by Ian Tyson is published by Random House Canada ($29.95). The book will be in stores Oct. 23.
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To do believe I heard Neil Young say that he included 4 Strong Winds on "Comes A Time" to help Tyson.

Neil also performed it at The Band's Last Waltz, but it was left off the original soundtrack and the film. It is included in the 2002 CD reissue.
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That quote about his life is something, to paraphrase "70% of the time I'm happy and 30% is just the pits." I think he sums up life pretty well :-)
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That quote about his life is something, to paraphrase "70% of the time I'm happy and 30% is just the pits." I think he sums up life pretty well :-)
good point...i often get paired up with golfer(s) who seem to more like 30/70

it's usually a long round....
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I was just reminded by Ed (Pee Wee) that he backed Ian on the Ian Tyson Show (1971-1975) with the band The Great Speckled Bird and Sylvia..
http://www.thecoolgroove.com/ian_tyson_show.html - every show had a message from Ian about the environment—a reminder to the viewers to take care of their world in some specific way.
http://archives.cbc.ca/society/celeb...s/clips/12016/
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