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Old 07-16-2006, 08:24 AM   #26
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Im listening to, "Sunday Concert", right now. I will let you know...Jesse.
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Old 07-17-2006, 06:43 AM   #27
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Don Quixote:
I think that the person is saying "Hippies rule", in response to GL's comments about "tree-huggers".

Don Quixote, you have a great code name or handle whatever it's called. I wanted to take it, when I joined. But saw it was taken. And I kind a knew it would be.

What is the comment that Gord said about "tree huggers." I have never heard that one...Jesse.
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Old 07-17-2006, 06:43 AM   #28
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Don Quixote:
I think that the person is saying "Hippies rule", in response to GL's comments about "tree-huggers".

Don Quixote, you have a great code name or handle whatever it's called. I wanted to take it, when I joined. But saw it was taken. And I kind a knew it would be.

What is the comment that Gord said about "tree huggers." I have never heard that one...Jesse.
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Old 07-17-2006, 06:54 AM   #29
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Fading Away, Ive listen to Softly 4 or 5 times, on Sunday Concert, And I cant hear a child laughing. Im sorry Im not saying it's not true, but someone else should give an honest opinion, on this.

It might be there but would be lying if I told you I hear it, your Lighthead friend ...Jesse.
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Old 07-17-2006, 06:54 AM   #30
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Fading Away, Ive listen to Softly 4 or 5 times, on Sunday Concert, And I cant hear a child laughing. Im sorry Im not saying it's not true, but someone else should give an honest opinion, on this.

It might be there but would be lying if I told you I hear it, your Lighthead friend ...Jesse.
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Old 07-17-2006, 05:26 PM   #31
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Jesse-Joe, I don't have the Harmony CD with me (it's in my office), but the comments about "tree-huggers" are when he talks about Dr. David Suzuki and Sting.

As those who have been here awhile know, I come by my "handle" honestly. DQ is not just a moniker, it's a way of life with me. I am a professor of Spanish, have studied in Spain, have walked along the route of Don Quixote ("Don Quijote" in Spanish), have taught the novel several times in my classes, and try to read the novel cover to cover around every other year or so. It is a felicitous convergence that my favorite singer wrote a marvelous song about my favorite fictional character.

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Old 07-18-2006, 02:35 AM   #32
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DQ and Jessie - I don't know , but like DQ I am not listening now, but did today to No Hotel, and at the mention of Dr. Suzuki, I'm pretty sure what *I* heard was a "boo"-ing.

DQ - while you're on-line when u read this, I have a Q for you:

Don Quixote - what a fascinating way to definately come by your handle with honours ! I had no idea all along you were a prof ! I should read more profiles more often.

Just goes to show that some posts here and there doth not reveal what we sometimes presume to be ( or not to be LOL) the total person behind the theme-based forum posts. Interesting. But, still.. the Q

A question for you DQ within your chosen ken: Do you think the poem on the back of the DQ album signed "gl" is in keeping with Cervantes' thoughts, means of expression, "feel", I am not quite sure how to ask - you're the pro !

And moreover, does the song DQ reflect some noteworthy aspects , small or any, of the book ?
Said otherwise, do the lyrics of DQ the song reflect GL's noted level of studying his subject when writing of it, i.e. The Wreck, CRT vis-a-vis Pierre Berton's book ? Its my impression that Gord does his homework historically. Thoughts ?

I have to admit I have only read the book about 1/3 the way, in High School. Assigned reading had no chance with me in High School . College - different, because my ability to feed my family hung in the balance. I'd of read it all the way then - should now !

Sorry I have strayed from the thread on the "sound(s)" in No Hotel. Weird how many different things we hear. Anyone else hear the "boo" when GL speaks of meeting up with Dr. Suzuki ? No political commentary implied or invited by the question, only the sound, in keeping with the thread !

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Old 07-18-2006, 03:13 AM   #33
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Don Quixote, thank you for the info, tree huggers, now makes perfectly good sense. Your a professor who studied in Spain ,your no fool...

Thanks also to you Geo Steve, The boos were aimed at Dr, Suzuki and not Lightfoot. It is quite possible. Might have been a logger in the audience?
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Old 07-18-2006, 03:13 AM   #34
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Don Quixote, thank you for the info, tree huggers, now makes perfectly good sense. Your a professor who studied in Spain ,your no fool...

Thanks also to you Geo Steve, The boos were aimed at Dr, Suzuki and not Lightfoot. It is quite possible. Might have been a logger in the audience?
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Old 07-18-2006, 04:38 AM   #35
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Jessi-Joe -

thanks, I was not uncertain as to whether the "boo" audible artifact was directed at GL ( I was quite sure it was not), nor did I wish to infer it was directed at Dr. Suzuki, lest I unwittingly drag a toe-line in the sand politically.

That would be quite improper in our forum for good taste's sake on otherwise potentially political issues. I simply indicated that when Dr Suzuki's name was spoken by Gord, it was at that exact moment I heard the "Boo", an audible bookmark if you will. The question simply was "has anyone else heard the "boo" ?
JJ are you saying you did ? I'd sure feel less stupid, if someone else did. I make no comment regarding Dr. Suzuki, again , too clarify.
Thak you Jessie for trying to help, I am sorry you misunderstood; very kind of you to respond.

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Old 07-18-2006, 06:24 AM   #36
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I don't recall anyone ever booing when Gord has talked of Suzuki (or Sting) as he leads into No Hotel. I was at Massey the night the song was recorded. He certainly wouldn't get any boos here in Toronto.
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Old 07-18-2006, 06:24 AM   #37
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I don't recall anyone ever booing when Gord has talked of Suzuki (or Sting) as he leads into No Hotel. I was at Massey the night the song was recorded. He certainly wouldn't get any boos here in Toronto.
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Old 07-18-2006, 06:32 AM   #38
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Im not saying I heard a boo, Im asking the question, can anyone make out, what does a fan shout right after Gord says Dr. David Suzuki? We had a lot of different answers.

Geo Steve think's it's a "boo"-ing. I myself dont know, is why Im asking...
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Old 07-18-2006, 06:32 AM   #39
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Im not saying I heard a boo, Im asking the question, can anyone make out, what does a fan shout right after Gord says Dr. David Suzuki? We had a lot of different answers.

Geo Steve think's it's a "boo"-ing. I myself dont know, is why Im asking...
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Old 07-18-2006, 10:33 AM   #40
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I thought the shout-out was "Suzuki Rules!" but I can't be positive.

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Old 07-18-2006, 12:15 PM   #41
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Hi, Geo-Steve.
A couple of years ago, there was a question pretty much along the lines of what you asked; you could probably ask Borderstone or someone else to look it up (B'stone has a penchant for finding long-lost threads and reviving them--I'm grateful for that) The long and the short of it (mostly the long, since as a prof. it's in my contract to be a windbag) is that there is quite a bit of Cervantes' book in the song and the poem, although with a 1970's sort of take; around then DQ was celebrated as an idealist and a dreamer (although the line "he shouts across the ocean to the shore" shows how futile his efforts are). Again, if you find the thread, you'll see some details of what was said.
There have been lots of other interpretations of the novel--at present, I'm looking at an analysis from the 1930s by Ramiro de Maeztu that basically says that Cervantes was showing the decline of Spain and that DQ was basically an anachronistic figure showing how Spain's Golden Age was ending while falling well short of its goals and ideals. There's room for that interpretation, and many others as well--one thing that Spanish literature of that generation did, and Cervantes did particularly well, was to show the validity of many contradictory interpretations of "truth", because of the basically contradictory nature of life itself.
I think that's one of the reasons that I enjoy GL's music; there's a basic idealism that forms the core of his music, but there is acknowledgment of real life, real problems and failings, as people go about this business of life. I could give many examples of parallels between Cervantes (both in his life and in his works) and GL (also both in his life and in his works) along these lines, but after all, it is summer vacation--class dismissed!
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Old 07-18-2006, 02:53 PM   #42
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Originally posted by Don Quixote: I could give many examples of parallels between Cervantes (both in his life and in his works) and GL (also both in his life and in his works) along these lines, but after all, it is summer vacation--class dismissed!
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If you find the time, I would love to see at least a a couple of examples. But first, have fun !

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Old 07-18-2006, 03:24 PM   #43
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JJ - it is clear you did not say you heard a boo you do say "think" you heard booing.
Others have offered up their thoughts. I don't know who of those who have offered up their thoughts were at Massey that night but I know I didn't hear booing..
It could have been someone yelling "woo-hoo" in praise of the 'tree-huggers."
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JJ - it is clear you did not say you heard a boo you do say "think" you heard booing.
Others have offered up their thoughts. I don't know who of those who have offered up their thoughts were at Massey that night but I know I didn't hear booing..
It could have been someone yelling "woo-hoo" in praise of the 'tree-huggers."
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Old 07-18-2006, 04:16 PM   #45
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I at the beginning Charlene thought it might be you that yelled, "Corfid Loves You", LOL

I know no one will boo Gord or Suzuki, especially in Toronto's Massey Hall. Nor in the Atlantic Provinces, for that matter no where's.
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I at the beginning Charlene thought it might be you that yelled, "Corfid Loves You", LOL

I know no one will boo Gord or Suzuki, especially in Toronto's Massey Hall. Nor in the Atlantic Provinces, for that matter no where's.
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Old 07-19-2006, 04:33 PM   #47
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Hi, RMD.
I don't want to do a lot of analysis, but I see these parallels:
"Restless" is a good word, and song, to describe both of them. We know of Gord as the wandering minstrel, the northwoods canoer, the writer of songs about trains, airplanes and highways. Cervantes was born to an itinerant surgeon (not like today's millionaire surgeons--this was a pretty hand-to-mouth existence), who would wander from town to town doing minor medical procedures. That wanderlust was part of Cervantes' character, as he traveled to Italy to study, joined the army (and was wounded in battle), and even applied to go to the New World to seek his fortune (Fortune intervened, his request was denied, and he had to remain in Spain to write what many have called the world's greatest novel). The observations from his travels are infused in his writing, just as they are with Gord's.
Like GL, Cervantes had a somewhat troubled personal life. He married a woman much younger than he, and with whom he did not get along, but also fathered a child out of wedlock and was arrested for fighting a duel and severely wounding his opponent. The biggest link that I see between the two is right here: how they are able to describe beautiful situations and see life from the perspective of the ideal, while also showing human flaws (including their own), as well as depicting both the ideal and the real with well-turned phrases, and sometimes of wink of an eye and good humor; this intermingling of the ideal and the real (think of, for example, "Wild Strawberries")is, as I've stated in another post, one of the defining characteristics of Cervantes. One more interesting (I hope) link that I've seen is how music, women and love are intertwined. Think of "Make Way for the Lady" and "Harmony"--is he talking about a concrete individual, love in general, or the musical muse? In some ways they are fused and become one and the same. In DQ, the knight dedicates his victories to Dulcinea del Toboso, a concrete person (although really pig herder), who becomes the incarnation of love and beauty, and his inspiration for victory.
That's enough for now; I'd be glad to answer any other questions you have.
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Old 07-20-2006, 02:38 AM   #48
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I too was a Don Quixote fan before knowing of the song. When my parents and I lived in Central America, I acquired a wood carving of Don Quixote and became very fascinated with the character. I read the book when I was in the 7th grade just because I was interested in learning more about the character Cervantes created - not that I can remember all the details of the book these many years later. I really should pull it out and read it again. I also love the musical, Man Of La Mancha.

DQ, thanks for sharing your thoughts on a topic that I still find most interesting.
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....Think of "Make Way for the Lady" and "Harmony"--is he talking about a concrete individual, love in general, or the musical muse? .....
This is how I always think of Inspiration Lady as well. To me it is not a person, but the muse itself coming to visit, seeing him through, frustrating and delighting him at the same time. I have to say the video just didn't do it for me, although even it that it did not concentrate on one particular women, but a compilation of many.

DQ, you really should post more often, I enjoy your thoughts and ideas. I've never read Don Quixote, but now will put it on my to do list.
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....Think of "Make Way for the Lady" and "Harmony"--is he talking about a concrete individual, love in general, or the musical muse? .....
This is how I always think of Inspiration Lady as well. To me it is not a person, but the muse itself coming to visit, seeing him through, frustrating and delighting him at the same time. I have to say the video just didn't do it for me, although even it that it did not concentrate on one particular women, but a compilation of many.

DQ, you really should post more often, I enjoy your thoughts and ideas. I've never read Don Quixote, but now will put it on my to do list.
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