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Old 07-08-2002, 06:36 AM   #26
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As far as Gordon's contribution to telling his own story, look at the lyrics of "A Painter Passing Through" especially "If you want to know my secret don't come runnin' after me, For I am just a painter passing through in history". In these days of self-promotion passing as talent, I think Gord is one of those who are the exception. He truly deserves to be called an artist because he wants you to look not at him, but at the the work he created and left behind for you. I'm curious to know what makes him tick as a songwriter, but then it would be like finding out how a magician does his illusions. They never are as special once you know how they're done.
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Old 07-08-2002, 06:36 AM   #27
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As far as Gordon's contribution to telling his own story, look at the lyrics of "A Painter Passing Through" especially "If you want to know my secret don't come runnin' after me, For I am just a painter passing through in history". In these days of self-promotion passing as talent, I think Gord is one of those who are the exception. He truly deserves to be called an artist because he wants you to look not at him, but at the the work he created and left behind for you. I'm curious to know what makes him tick as a songwriter, but then it would be like finding out how a magician does his illusions. They never are as special once you know how they're done.
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Old 07-08-2002, 08:33 AM   #28
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Great topic! I agree with the sentiment that while I would love to know what inspired a song, or what it is "about", I also agree that sometimes we are just better off not knowing. What images a song might conjure up for me, are no doubt different than what they might mean to someone else.

I once raised the theory that Bitter Green was about a dog, and I probably ruined it for a number of people! While I suggested it mainly in jest, if you listen to the lyrics and think about it, it could work. Most of us have an image of a young maiden, now there's a whole group of people that can't shake the image of a collie! Imagine that with other songs.

I think the true beauty of these songs, and what makes them so personal and meaningful is what they mean to each of us. A song can mean one thing for years, or even nothing, then when something happens in your life, it has new meaning. IYCRMM had one meaning when I was 14, but didn't really mean as much as it did when I became older and really realized the depth of it. The Wreck was an interesting song to me until I saw the documentary on the Fitzgerald, then it had a whole new power.
I know I would be disappointed if I found the inspiration for a phrase or a song was something like the back of a cereal box.That said, I would love to see one of the TV biographys about Lightfoot. I doubt we ever will see it either though.
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Old 07-08-2002, 08:33 AM   #29
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Great topic! I agree with the sentiment that while I would love to know what inspired a song, or what it is "about", I also agree that sometimes we are just better off not knowing. What images a song might conjure up for me, are no doubt different than what they might mean to someone else.

I once raised the theory that Bitter Green was about a dog, and I probably ruined it for a number of people! While I suggested it mainly in jest, if you listen to the lyrics and think about it, it could work. Most of us have an image of a young maiden, now there's a whole group of people that can't shake the image of a collie! Imagine that with other songs.

I think the true beauty of these songs, and what makes them so personal and meaningful is what they mean to each of us. A song can mean one thing for years, or even nothing, then when something happens in your life, it has new meaning. IYCRMM had one meaning when I was 14, but didn't really mean as much as it did when I became older and really realized the depth of it. The Wreck was an interesting song to me until I saw the documentary on the Fitzgerald, then it had a whole new power.
I know I would be disappointed if I found the inspiration for a phrase or a song was something like the back of a cereal box.That said, I would love to see one of the TV biographys about Lightfoot. I doubt we ever will see it either though.
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Old 07-08-2002, 08:33 AM   #30
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Great topic! I agree with the sentiment that while I would love to know what inspired a song, or what it is "about", I also agree that sometimes we are just better off not knowing. What images a song might conjure up for me, are no doubt different than what they might mean to someone else.

I once raised the theory that Bitter Green was about a dog, and I probably ruined it for a number of people! While I suggested it mainly in jest, if you listen to the lyrics and think about it, it could work. Most of us have an image of a young maiden, now there's a whole group of people that can't shake the image of a collie! Imagine that with other songs.

I think the true beauty of these songs, and what makes them so personal and meaningful is what they mean to each of us. A song can mean one thing for years, or even nothing, then when something happens in your life, it has new meaning. IYCRMM had one meaning when I was 14, but didn't really mean as much as it did when I became older and really realized the depth of it. The Wreck was an interesting song to me until I saw the documentary on the Fitzgerald, then it had a whole new power.
I know I would be disappointed if I found the inspiration for a phrase or a song was something like the back of a cereal box.That said, I would love to see one of the TV biographys about Lightfoot. I doubt we ever will see it either though.
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Old 07-08-2002, 09:12 AM   #31
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i think it is best said, "If You Could Read My Mind".

as Jenny, my mind and especially my heart is filled the stories and visions of Gordon in my own context. i've read the technical stuff on dylan and others, but as Gordon writes, the effect on me is tenfold of any other writer. i wouldn't want to be jaded by a third-party analysis of why he may have written something the way he did.

the meer fact that he contemplates such a simple line as "All the lovely ladies in their finery tonight" and then delivers one of the most beautiful songs written is enough for me.

i've listened to GL for thirty years now. and of all the great writers and musicians that have come and gone, Gordon is the only one that i listen to each and everyday. i personally don't need an analysis of what i love. <g>
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Old 07-08-2002, 09:12 AM   #32
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i think it is best said, "If You Could Read My Mind".

as Jenny, my mind and especially my heart is filled the stories and visions of Gordon in my own context. i've read the technical stuff on dylan and others, but as Gordon writes, the effect on me is tenfold of any other writer. i wouldn't want to be jaded by a third-party analysis of why he may have written something the way he did.

the meer fact that he contemplates such a simple line as "All the lovely ladies in their finery tonight" and then delivers one of the most beautiful songs written is enough for me.

i've listened to GL for thirty years now. and of all the great writers and musicians that have come and gone, Gordon is the only one that i listen to each and everyday. i personally don't need an analysis of what i love. <g>
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Old 07-08-2002, 09:12 AM   #33
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i think it is best said, "If You Could Read My Mind".

as Jenny, my mind and especially my heart is filled the stories and visions of Gordon in my own context. i've read the technical stuff on dylan and others, but as Gordon writes, the effect on me is tenfold of any other writer. i wouldn't want to be jaded by a third-party analysis of why he may have written something the way he did.

the meer fact that he contemplates such a simple line as "All the lovely ladies in their finery tonight" and then delivers one of the most beautiful songs written is enough for me.

i've listened to GL for thirty years now. and of all the great writers and musicians that have come and gone, Gordon is the only one that i listen to each and everyday. i personally don't need an analysis of what i love. <g>
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Old 07-08-2002, 12:44 PM   #34
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Great songwriting is like old-time radio shows-- it's "Theater of the mind".
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Old 07-08-2002, 12:44 PM   #35
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Great songwriting is like old-time radio shows-- it's "Theater of the mind".
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Old 07-08-2002, 08:00 PM   #36
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Well Jenney, I don`t agree with your dog theory. The part that really ruins the theory is in the second verse:
Some say he was a sailor who died away at sea
Some say he was a prisoner who never was set free
Lost upon the ocean he died there in the mist
Dreaming of her kiss.

Now, I know some of us are really attached to our pets, but not to the extent where kissing them would be our last dying wish.

However, I still think Daylight Katy is a cat!

She lives nine lives in her midnight world
While her old man's fast asleep
And she doesn't have to get up in the mornin'
With her hair so soft and long...


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Well Jenney, I don`t agree with your dog theory. The part that really ruins the theory is in the second verse:
Some say he was a sailor who died away at sea
Some say he was a prisoner who never was set free
Lost upon the ocean he died there in the mist
Dreaming of her kiss.

Now, I know some of us are really attached to our pets, but not to the extent where kissing them would be our last dying wish.

However, I still think Daylight Katy is a cat!

She lives nine lives in her midnight world
While her old man's fast asleep
And she doesn't have to get up in the mornin'
With her hair so soft and long...


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Old 07-08-2002, 09:23 PM   #38
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Cathy and Watchman,
Let's just call her a resident of a cathouse, and you can both be right.
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Old 07-08-2002, 09:23 PM   #39
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Cathy and Watchman,
Let's just call her a resident of a cathouse, and you can both be right.
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Old 07-12-2002, 10:53 AM   #40
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Of course Daylight Katy is a cat. Shirley's cat!

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Of course Daylight Katy is a cat. Shirley's cat!

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Old 07-12-2002, 11:47 AM   #42
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Daylight Kitty?

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Old 07-12-2002, 05:40 PM   #44
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quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:
Who's Shirley?


Who's Shirley? What? Everybody knows Shirley!

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quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:
Who's Shirley?


Who's Shirley? What? Everybody knows Shirley!

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quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:


Daylight Katy is a whore, not a cat.[/B]

I'm posting the lyrics. Now, where is the part that says she's a whore? I don't see it.

She walks by the sea where the seaworld is
And she waits for the man to come
She lives in town with her high-heeled friends
And she knows it's a long way down
But she doesn't have to get up in the morning
With her hair so soft and long

Daylight Katy come on
Daylight Katy come on
If you can't follow me down
Daylight Katy go home

Daylight Katy come on
Daylight Katy come on
If you can't follow me down
Daylight Katy go home

She walks to the sea where the seaweed is
Where the rust and the dirt runs deep
She lives nine lives in her midnight world
While her old man's fast asleep
And she doesn't have to get up in the mornin'
With her hair so soft and long

Daylight Katy come on
Daylight Katy come on
If you can't follow me down
Daylight Katy go home

Daylight Katy come on
Daylight Katy come on
If you can't follow me down
Daylight Katy go home

She lives by the sea when the summer wind comes
And the sea don't mind at all
She talks to the sea when the sea runs wild
And the waves run steep and tall
And she doesn't have to get up in the mornin'
With her hair so soft and long

Daylight Katy come on
Daylight Katy come on
If you can't follow me down
Daylight Katy go home

Daylight Katy come on
Daylight Katy come on
If you can't follow me down
Daylight Katy go home


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quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:


Daylight Katy is a whore, not a cat.[/B]

I'm posting the lyrics. Now, where is the part that says she's a whore? I don't see it.

She walks by the sea where the seaworld is
And she waits for the man to come
She lives in town with her high-heeled friends
And she knows it's a long way down
But she doesn't have to get up in the morning
With her hair so soft and long

Daylight Katy come on
Daylight Katy come on
If you can't follow me down
Daylight Katy go home

Daylight Katy come on
Daylight Katy come on
If you can't follow me down
Daylight Katy go home

She walks to the sea where the seaweed is
Where the rust and the dirt runs deep
She lives nine lives in her midnight world
While her old man's fast asleep
And she doesn't have to get up in the mornin'
With her hair so soft and long

Daylight Katy come on
Daylight Katy come on
If you can't follow me down
Daylight Katy go home

Daylight Katy come on
Daylight Katy come on
If you can't follow me down
Daylight Katy go home

She lives by the sea when the summer wind comes
And the sea don't mind at all
She talks to the sea when the sea runs wild
And the waves run steep and tall
And she doesn't have to get up in the mornin'
With her hair so soft and long

Daylight Katy come on
Daylight Katy come on
If you can't follow me down
Daylight Katy go home

Daylight Katy come on
Daylight Katy come on
If you can't follow me down
Daylight Katy go home


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Well, Watchman, I suspect your analysis is probably right. I don't think Daylight Katy is REALLY a cat. I'm just giving Jenney a good ribbing about her Bitter Green / dog theory, knowing she's away for the week and isn't around to defend herself.
And I didn't type the lyrics. I copied and pasted them from Val's site.

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Well, Watchman, I suspect your analysis is probably right. I don't think Daylight Katy is REALLY a cat. I'm just giving Jenney a good ribbing about her Bitter Green / dog theory, knowing she's away for the week and isn't around to defend herself.
And I didn't type the lyrics. I copied and pasted them from Val's site.

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PHEWWW!!! I'm glad you're all still friends,
I thought y'all were getting ready to fight. This is better than watching TV, I affirm.

Hang loose bruddas and sistas

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