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Old 12-02-2000, 01:48 PM   #1
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Two great war-related songs from the 70s but which do you prefer? Showing great sympathy for the ordinary footsoldiers, and clearly emphasising the futility of war, these are very powerful songs, written during the Vietnam War but showing echoes of other conflicts. There may be others that have passing reference to this theme as well.

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Old 12-02-2000, 10:31 PM   #2
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Of the two, my favorite is "Patriot's Dream". Not only lyrically but melodically, as well. I love the change from the jaunty melody of the soldiers happily going off to defend their cause to the haunting melody of the sorrow and sadness of those left suffering the consequences. It is a very moving song.

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Old 12-03-2000, 05:48 PM   #3
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Definately patriots dream. The structure of the song is better. I never got into protocol - it's still I song I skip on the CD sometimes, but TPD closes DQ on a strong note
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Old 12-04-2000, 10:25 PM   #4
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Make that three for Patriot's Dream. I can't describe that song any better than Janice. She hit the nail on the head.

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Old 12-06-2000, 12:54 PM   #5
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We're on a roll here. I'm also on the Patriot's Dream camp. If you play it's a great tune to do. Makes you work a bit but well worth the effort.

I wouldn't skip Protocol by any means (though I've benn known t once in a while to get to The House You Live In...) - I guess I'd call it less accessible. It's a much tougher nut to crack. I love the sound of it.

Where is this leading? I have no idea. But put me down for Patiot's Dream.
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Old 12-08-2000, 12:06 PM   #6
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Here's another vote for Patriot's Dream...one of his very best...it's like a few different songs all in one, and so perfectly tied together...the phrasing, the tempo all change to perfectly match the lyrics...I still NEVER get tired of hearing this song. I think it's one of his best.
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Old 12-10-2000, 01:09 PM   #7
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Just to even things up I'm going to vote for Protocol, because the focus is wider. The guitar is haunting and the lyrics cover another issue close to Gord's heart: the destruction of whales. TPD is excellent too of course.

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Old 12-23-2000, 08:29 PM   #8
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RainyDayPerson:

Wow! You blew me away. I always thought "Protocol" really had to do with World War II more than Vietnam. (By the way, not that anyone cares, but of the choices you gave, mine is definitely "Protocol".

The line that gives me a shiver down my spine (remember that's what Sylvia Tyson said that about the line, "You can't jump a jet plane/like you can a freight train") is the line in that song, "Where are the boys in their coats of blue/who flew when their eyes were blind"...

I think that's the line that made me think he was actually talking about World War II. (The RAF????) But then, yeah, you're right ... he DOES mention not only Saigon but also Wounded Knee. Maybe it's just a song about war in general!

Stay loose, eh?

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Old 12-24-2000, 12:10 AM   #9
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by loveandmaplesyrup:

Maybe it's just a song about war in general!

Drink your glass empty ...
There's one less cause in the world to be leaving for.

I like that one better than either Protocol or Patriot's Dream, even though I don't feel as if I've more than scratched the surface of its layers of meaning.

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Old 12-24-2000, 01:50 PM   #10
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2Much: At one concert Gord said that he wrote Drink Yer Glasses Empty as the troops were being sent to Desert Storm. Back in the early 70's, although the music was great, I remember being a bit disappointed that he played and didn't offer much commentary. As the years have gone on, he sure started talking. I enjoy hearing these little tidbits of info as they have shed a new light on interpreting the songs. Has anyone else noticed that in his concerts over time?
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Old 12-26-2000, 10:12 AM   #11
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Has to be "Patriots Dream", this song has it all, great medley and awesome lyrics, great guitar wwwork and I think "Don Quixote" was Lightfoot at his vocal best. I always thought of "Protocol" as sort of a filler song, not one of his best. Happy Holidays to all
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Old 12-26-2000, 12:16 PM   #12
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Definately "Patriot's Dream." The music and the lyrics hit home with me, moreso than "Protocol."
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