How many miles does your vehicle(s) have on it?

[Cathy]

I heard that bill to have a passport to cross the border in 2007 has been axed for another year. It's 2008 now, or so they tell us at the border.

[Cathy]

And I'd probably have to take two marriage certificates, the Thompson and the Cowette certificates. If I wasn't so damned lazy or actually gave a damn, I might have showed up in court the day JC and I got divorced and changed my name back to Giberson.

[Jesse Joe]

Cathy Giberson, sounds a lot better, it's almost Gibson. :D

[charlene]

POSTED ON 21/07/06

Canadian, American mayors unite in protest of passport requirement
Cities fear security measure will hit trade
ANGELA PACIENZA

Canadian Press

WINDSOR, ONT. -- Mayors from Canada and the U.S. united yesterday in their fight to delay the implementation of the controversial Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative until an affordable and convenient alternative to the passport can be found.

"It's important for us to find a real solution . . . something that's affordable, available and accessible and that's going to keep people travelling," said Windsor Mayor Eddie Francis, host of a day-long meeting of about 60 mayors and other government officials.

The coalition of mayors called on the U.S. government to find a better solution to the passport requirement -- one that won't ruin the close ties between the two countries.

There is growing concern the security measure, set to take effect in 2008, will put a serious dent in everyday trade and travel, especially at border communities such as Windsor-Detroit, Niagara-Buffalo and Lower Mainland B.C.-northwest Washington where people are known to make a trip just to check out a new restaurant or club.

Under the initiative, people will need passports or yet-to-be-determined high-tech ID cards in order to enter the U.S. -- something the mayors and others argue isn't an affordable option for families who want to vacation close to home.

"I have six children. For me to get passports to go visit my family, my friends -- that's going to cost me $700," said Dan Onichuk, mayor of Fort Francis, Ont., which borders International Falls, Minn.

Mr. Onichuk said the U.S. passport requirement will mean an end to the interconnectivity of the two cities. "It's a very scary proposition," he said, adding his teenage children frequently cross the border to go to the movies, while International Falls residents visit his municipality to use the area's only curling rink.

"It will end the way that we socially and economically get together," he said. "It will mean a major change for us."

The U.S. security plan is set to take effect by Jan. 1, 2008, although there are suggestions that it will be delayed until 2009 given mounting pressure on the Americans.

Many U.S. governors and Canadian premiers have already voiced concern about the impact on trade and tourism given the two countries share a 9,000-kilometre-long border. Business groups peg the damage at about $2-billion in lost revenue in Canada and about half that south of the border.

Frank Moss, Washington-based deputy assistant secretary of Passport Services, acknowledged there will be some snags as the U.S. moves into tighter security measures, a process started after the terrorist attacks in September, 2001.

He called yesterday's meeting an informative day but wouldn't comment on whether the U.S. would change or delay the legislation.

"It was an excellent opportunity for U.S. policy makers and their Canadian counterparts and elected officials to have a full discussion . . . and yes, some of the complications that all of us have to face as we move WHTI from a legal requirement on the U.S. side to a reality at the borders," he said.

The Canadian government has said it's worried because the U.S. has not outlined any details about its plans, or whether it will allow other documents aside from passports -- such as enhanced, finger-printed driver's licences -- to be used.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper raised the issue in his recent meeting with President George Bush. But some mayors at yesterday's meeting said Mr. Harper needs to be more vocal in Washington about the security measure's potential harm.

AND

Cross-border travel won't be impeded by passports: U.S.

Traffic crosses the Ambassador Bridge, which spans the border between Windsor and Detroit.
Edmonton Journal
Published: Tuesday, July 18, 2006
Travel and trade between Canada and the United States will not be impeded by a new requirement for documents at the border, say U.S. homeland security chief Michael Chertoff Canadian Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day.
The two discussed the issue twice in Edmonton - once during an early morning run through the river valley and later today in a formal meeting at the Hotel MacDonald.

The requirement for new documents, U.S. legislation called the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative, has been an irritant between the two countries.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper, in his recent visit to Washington, told president George W. Bush that the American obsession with security could threaten the historic ties between the two neighbours.

Starting in Jan. 1 2007 people flying into the U.S. or arriving by ship will be required to carry a passport. In 2008, those crossing by land will be required to produce some sort of "smart card" containing encrypted information about the holder's identity and nationality.

Chertoff announced today that people arriving by pleasure craft or by ferry will be treated as people crossing by land.

That could have a major impact on provinces like Ontario and British Columbia, where many people cross daily by water.

"We are continuing to work on developing alternatives to passport as it relates to land crossings so we don't compromise our position of relative ease of movement between the borders," Chertoff said at a news conference.

He and Day were attending a meeting of the Pacific North West Economic Region in Edmonton.

[TheWatchman]

The last time I went into Canada (Nov. 2005 via Ontario) I wasn't even asked to provide a driver's license. The young girl asked me why I was entering Canada then told me to have a nice day. Coming back into the U.S. was a different story as they are much, much more strict and do a thorough job of looking over documents.

I've entered British Columbia several times through Washington and it's the same story, although border security was more strict entering into BC than has ever been in Ontario. Now all of a sudden they want travelers to carry passports? It's a joke. The U.S. does a great job at the borders but Canada needs to step up to the plate and take it more seriously.

They say that Canada will take anybody and it's true. They let me in without showing anything at all, not even a driver's license. Pretty sad.

[BILLW]

Yeah Al but most ladies wouldn't ask you for ID !! I'm surprised she could even speak !

Bill

[charlene]

Same thing driving from Toronto to Buffalo - I was not required to show any I.D. either - ever - even just a couple of years ago. sad.

Flying is the criteria now for a lot more stringent rules. Driving over the border isn't so stringent going either way across the border.

The passports are required by U.S. gov. for u.s. citizens visiting Canada to be able to get BACK into the U.S. no joke.
The Canadian gov. is not requiring passports for U.S. citizens to come here.

Yep it just goes to show Canada will let anyone in...and possibly vice versa.
sheesh.


[ July 21, 2006, 16:44: Message edited by: charlene ]

[Cathy]

Originally posted by Jesse -Joe:
Cathy Giberson, sounds a lot better, it's almost Gibson. :D

The first syllable is pronounced with a long I... GIberson. There are a lot of Gibersons in the Maritimes. Have you ever run across any?

[Cathy]

I live on the New Brunswick border, and cross over at least once a week. Going into Canada is easy. They ask us where we're from, and the purpose of our trip. On Wednesday evening, when we all go to the fiddle jam, they are so used to seeing us, they just say, "You folks going fiddling tonight?" Then they tell us to have fun. Getting back into the US is a little tougher. Sometimes, they ask us for IDs and sometimes they don't. I guess it depends who's working.
Many of us have relatives on both sides of the border and I think the passport law will ruin the rich Acadian heritage of the area.

[Shutup and Deal, I'm Losin']

How much would a passport cost?

[Jesse Joe]

Originally posted by Cathy:
quote:Originally posted by Jesse -Joe:
Cathy Giberson, sounds a lot better, it's almost Gibson. :D

The first syllable is pronounced with a long I... GIberson. There are a lot of Gibersons in the Maritimes. Have you ever run across any? [/QUOTE]No never have Cathy...Jesse.

[Shutup and Deal, I'm Losin']

Gibson's fine. But Giberson?

[brink-]

Originally posted by Fading Away:
How much would a passport cost?

That depends on if you have it go through normal
channels or if it is rushed. I think rushing it
is about 150.00, normal way is about 100.00. But
the fees have just changed so I don't know for sure.

[Shutup and Deal, I'm Losin']

Expensive. But well worth the price to go see Gord.