Yes, we do get snow in Los Angeles!

[Sheryl]

Here's the proof: yeah, yeah, look hard above the "vee" - those are the snow-tipped mountains just behind Sunland-Tujunga and beyond in the Angeles Crest National Forest. That's just northeast of the San Fernando Valley.

Sheryl



(I fear a lesson in bigger picture-posting is coming my way...!!)

[Sheryl]

Copied from the news section of abc7.com...

More Snow, Flood Warnings Today
LOS ANGELES

(CNS) - Unsettled weather is forecast across the Southern California today as the tail end of a cold storm passes over the region.

By the time the skies clear later today, the local mountains should be covered in snow at elevations of 3,500 feet or more.

Highs in the metro area should be upper 50s. A chance of showers, thunderstorms or hail is possible in the morning.

A National Weather Service winter storm warning for the mountains will be in effect through 4 p.m.

Flash flood watches remain in effect for burn areas, including parts of the Burbank hills and northeastern Orange County, though no flooding or mudslides were reported yesterday.

Snow and ice prompted the California Highway Patrol to close the Angeles Forest Highway between Palmdale and the Angeles Crest (2) Highway.

Though snow fell intermittently in spots along the Grapevine section of the Golden State (5) Freeway yesterday, the main north-south route in and out of Los Angeles remained open.

As of last night, rainfall totals ranged from about two-tenths of an inch in downtown Los Angeles to nearly a half-inch in Newhall, according to the NWS.

Several waterspouts were spotted along the coast, and forecasters warned more were possible today. The whirlwinds form when cold air interacts with relatively warm ocean water.

Hail was reported in Redondo Beach and in the Antelope Valley.

The local ski resorts, which have relied on snow-making most of the winter, got about 4 inches of fresh snow yesterday.

Downtown Los Angeles has received only about 5 inches of rain since July 1, well below the seasonal norm of about 9 inches for this time of year.

[Cathy]

We've had an unusual winter here in Northern Maine. Usually, by the end of February, we have accumulated close to 90 inches of snow for the winter. I don't think we've accumulated 2 feet this winter, and most of it has already melted. All the lawns and fields are covered with a sheet of ice. There are snowbanks along the roads, but they're even quite small for this time of year.

Of course, this mild winter could change overnight. I still think we're going to get one whopper of a snowstorm this winter.

[Sheila Ann]

I believe you, Sheryl! Back in Feb of '89 or '90(??) the company I worked for then hosted a convention at the Anaheim Conv Center. We left DC with snow and ice on the ground...and wearing warm winter clothes. Never expected to need them in LA. By mid-week it began to get quite chilly and the news kept reporting that LA might see some snow flurries before the week was out. What??? Are we going to miss our promised trip to Disneyland?? No, we didn't miss it...we were broken up into small groups and bussed over to Disneyland for quick run throughs before the weather changed. By the last day of the convention we had pulled out the clothes we arrived in cuz it was too darn cold to wear our "LA specials" I don't recall seeing any snow but we sure wanted to go home! On the way back we were the last plane to land in Dallas...our connection...on 4 inches of ice before that airport was closed!! That year, whichever it was, saw the whole U.S. in a major deep freeze. I think I remember a friend telling me that she actually saw some flurries in San Diego that year. So, yes, I believe you.

[johnfowles]

Yes well this picture found by image-googling for Los Angeles snow is allegedly in the LA Public Library:-

as are these:-



Both taken it seems in April 1999
with others at:-
jpg2.lapl.org/ pics06
John Fowles
our 24" last eekend has nearly all melted

[Sheryl]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Looks more like 1899!!!!

[Affair on Touhy Ave.]

Yeah right I bet that's just cotton covering the ground! Not real at all! Just joking.

[Sheryl]

Hmmm, Los Angeles isn't really known for growing cotton (joking aside). There's other "white stuff" here, however...!!

[closetcanadian]

John,

I thought you might like to know a bit about the photos you posted.

The first one shows the Great White City Hotel constructed by Professor Thaddeus Lowe atop Echo Mountain above Altadena, CA. A very opulent palace, it had a ballroom, casino, observatory, gardens, and a small zoo. The hotel was accessed by a funicular that brought visitors from the valley below to the mountain summit. The hotel opened in 1894 and was destroyed by a fire in 1905. Sadly, all that remains today is portions of the concrete foundation.

The second and third photos show the electric trolley system Lowe built from Echo Mountain to the Alpine Tavern, another resort he built at the foot of Mount Lowe in the San Gabriel Mountains. This narrow gauge railway was an amazing feat of engineering that required the construction of 11 bridges over the 4 miles of track laid. Your center photo shows the Great Circular Bridge, needed to climb a steep grade along Las Flores Canyon. A brilliant Scottish engineer by the name of David MacPherson designed and oversaw the construction of both the Alpine Railway and the aforementioned funicular.

The Alpine Railway operated for over 30 years and was a popular tourist attraction. Unfortunately the Alpine Tavern was destroyed by fire in 1936. The railway continued operation until 1938 when a torrential flood washed out most of the bridges on the line. The railway's owners, the Pacific Electric Company, decided it was just too expensive to rebuild the bridges. Some of the wooden ties are still visible in the railway bed but all the steel rails were scavenged for the war effort in the 1940s.

And as you might say, "so ends today's history lesson."

Best regards,
John

[Sheryl]

Great research paper, ClosetCanadian! I give you an "A" !!

[charlene]

there's more snow in those pics than we have here in toronto!
the grass is bare but it's bitterly cold!

[mnmouse]

No shortage of snow here...It's really hard to see past the snowbanks at the intersections while driving. The bitter cold (-30 F) has let up, though..last night it was only -16 F. And now it's actually 6 degrees above! (Mouse does a happy dance!)

[johnfowles]

Thanks to "closet canadian" John for reproducing the interesting (to me at least) essay that he had sent to me privately:I suggested he post it to the topic because I thought it deserved a wider audience as I was sure some corfidians other than those blessed fans in SoCal would like to read about the resort and the trolley system. It now turns out that Sheryl's disparaging remark about it being 1899 not 1999 was pretty close to the truth
1999 was the probable date that the 3 jpegs were made and/or uploaded to the LA Public Library site.
John said in part
"Scottish engineer by the name of David MacPherson"
I googled for him and found at:-
http://hikertechnologies.com/echomt_gson.htm
a picture of his 93 year old grandson
and also found on that hiking site this page:-
http://hikertechnologies.com/em_trolley_wheels.htm
which contains this photograph of the remains of one trolley

Notice the snow-plow front end.
(to be fair this trolley was for going up a mountain not downtown LA as such)
and on:-
http://hikertechnologies.com/echomttn.htm#Thumbs
is this photo of the Echo Mountain Resort

view showing the resort in its heyday, circa 1896
John Fowles
here endeth today's archeology and geography lessons ladles and jellyspoons

[ February 21, 2006, 11:37: Message edited by: johnfowles ]

[johnfowles]

QUOTE]Originally posted by Sheryl:
(I fear a lesson in bigger picture-posting is coming my way...!!) [/QUOTE]No just a gentle jibe at why did you bother to display a picture that is so tiny nobody can see a sodden thing let alone any alleged snow. Was it actually the thumbnail link to a full sized picture perchance??
and moreover why like the Sydney hooligan did you then upload it to a storage site in your case the MSN corfid display group (in contrast he still needlessly insists on using imageshack the poor misguided fool)instead of simply finding the address of the original (be it thumb or full sized and used that URL to display it??
John Fowles

Getting lost like a fool In the forest

Standing like a prophet fool he shouts

then you'll be nobody's fool

Could it be that I'm the fool

Tells me I'ma pent-up fool In the deep end of the pool

He was known to be no mans fool

Just think about the fool Who by his virtue can be found

The kinda fool who went to school

May some romantic fool turn on your light

lover man Is still acting like a fool

[ February 21, 2006, 12:07: Message edited by: johnfowles ]

[Sheryl]

I didn't think it would come out so small and don't know how to make it bigger. <sigh>

[johnfowles]

Sorry Sheryl you replied whilst I was drafting a revised and fuller reply (now I have amended what I first posted)

Originally posted by Sheryl:
I didn't think it would come out so small and don't know how to make it bigger. <sigh>

as the hooligan would say "the devil is making me say the following"
1."so small" My dear young lady in case you have not noticed Florian in his extensive revision to this forum last year took the trouble to add a most useful (to the typo-prone like me at least) "Preview" facility
2."make it bigger". there is only one answer to that "didn't your mother ever tell you?"
John Fowles

[Sheryl]

Let's just say that although it came out small (and, yes, I know about the Test Forum), there was nothing I could do about it anyway...

you bad boy

[Borderstone]

I have to sing!

"It never "snows" in southern Califronia,but girl don't they warn ya?"

"It po-o-ours....man it pours!"

Hee hee hee!! :D

At least you got snow,it hasn't rained here in Phoenix in 126 days! (Oct. 18th,2005) Nice weather but duu-u-u-ll!!

[violet Blue]

Sigh . . . how many times must we explain it to you flatlanders. At 6700 feet when you people all way down there in the flat barren Goddess forsaken barely above sea level valleys get rain, we up here at 6700 feet get snow. Just the way it works Sheryl [img]tongue.gif[/img] We may all be living in Southern California, but some of us have a better view

Conversly please do not call a rental company up here in mid-August and ask how much lift tickets are. People have been known to die laughing at stuff like that, particularly the old timers.

[johnfowles]

Originally posted by Sheryl:
Here's the proof: yeah, yeah, look hard above the "vee" - those are the snow-tipped mountains just behind Sunland-Tujunga and beyond in the Angeles Crest National Forest. That's just northeast of the San Fernando Valley.

Sheryl



(I fear a lesson in bigger picture-posting is coming my way...!!)

OK OK You asked for it !!!
Sheryl had to embaressingly admit that she did not know how to make "it" "bigger".
I have now visited the MSN group to which she had uploaded her picture and was rather amazed to find that she had elected to use the URL of the group's index page's relatively tiny thumbnail instead of clicking on that thumb to see the full sized picture as she had originally found it:-
[img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UADdAgkYiMRa!4sQDK0teaLnXQf2esZBNH!z0*iuo7adu3pAa h3K3O6cSMvjepAJmN*SgT1*!NYmEUwwb!KiJOsWIabcUHm00HQ ASWyT9dXid*Uh2lI!ynSCwx4AcMMe/Photo_021906_001.jpg[/img]
However having now been able to look at it very closely I cannot myself see that it actually proves that Los Angeles has any snowfall though,
because one would surely expect to see snow in those mountains in the background although having said that the picture she chose to illustrate that is IMHO spectacularly inappropriate.Unless that picture was taken after it had all melted and left the "roadway" bare
(I very nearly used the misleading American word "pavement" there but that would only have confused Brit readers for whom "pavement" is what Americans quaintly refer to as
the "sidewalk"!!
Whilst on the MSN site, and Sheryl's album there I could not help noticing that she had also uploaded this revealing picture

(Which is what I call anybody like Sheryl and the Sydney hooligan. who find a picture on the internet save it then reupload it to either the MSN site or imageshack respectively. Then to display it link to their newly stored image instead of simply using the original picture's URL obtained from where they found it
in the first place.
John Fowles
In other words you can, as I have previously tried to emphasize, only display pictures here that are already on a web site some-/any-where

[johnfowles]

Originally posted by Sheryl:
Let's just say that although it came out small (and, yes, I know about the Test Forum), there was nothing I could do about it anyway...

you bad boy

Ahem dear Sheryl I never said anything aboot the Test Forum,I actually said and meant "preview". That was because one of the better improvements Florian introduced last year was the facility to preview your proposed posting (be it a new topic, a reply or an editing, or even a Private Message).
simply look hard under the text box into which you type your missive and you should spot a pair of white buttons
one labelled "Add Reply" the other, invitingly, "Preview Post"
John Fowles
Just trying to help you understand

[Sheryl]

The snow is at the top of the "vee" -- and, yes, one has to differentiate between the clouds and the snow!! We only get snow on land about once every 20 years or so, and then only for about 5-10 minutes.

The "bad boy" reference was meant to your sly comment on my mother never having told me something...!!