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geodeticman.5 · 12-16-2008, 05:35 AM

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Hey guys, here is our current status, after a question for you all.....
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1st: A question for all of you below; can I have your opinion ?

If you wish to skip the discussion of the question, I'll bottom line it for you here and right now: If you knew that so far we've had a player mention that the font colors, font choices, font sizes, etc (like the Yellow clue numbers, red,white,and blue Congratulations !, purple story clues, etc) were giving the player visual distress and perhaps a headache, would you vote to change format to default everything, as I have done here in this as a courtesy and test run to the player it distressed visually ? So if you wish to skip the longer explanation of the same basic elements of the above to consider in more depth, just go down to the bar-line where it says'OK Back to biz'. And please express you opinion ! Thanks !

More in-depth considerations worth noting:I've been trying to use the colors/fonts/sizes as a utility. Typically- yellow/gold - you know that color means clue numbers and essential information, correct song, big X, etc. Blue have typically been extranneous notes, and last set of medium blue, deliberately to evoke thoughts of water,were actually part of the story 2nd clue that helped Dave from Melbourne figure out the 'River of Light' story clue. Similarly, purple was used in that same post to help as 2nd clue successfully to help formerlyLavendar (by coincidence) to figure out the song in 2nd clue story-format on 'Approaching Lavender'.

So, I'd say the last 3 pages have been an inordinate amount of color. We've had one person speak of of it (color/font/size etc variations) being distressing visually, which I can certainly understand ! How about the rest of you ? - as we have approached this game as democratically as possible.

I've also pretty consistently used the same color seperately for your names, eg Ron your name is always Red; Joveski you can similarly find comments or replies to you with your name in green, etc for everyone of the regular players. That has always felt like a courtesy extended to each of you. Admittedly, a little tiny one....lol .Having said that, its been a utility as intended, for me, but I need more input like one player's helpful info on eye fatigue/headache with color/font/size et al. I'm inclined to change all to default fonts, no color, etc., but am curious how most of you like/not/indifferent feel about it. Not a crucial question in the big path of life.lol... but maybe a kindness to show.

So, for now, what of color/font/size at least as identifers of type of info i.e. yellow clues & bottom-line info, consistent color to find your name, etc., 'FOR & AGIN" comments would be really appreciated. Until I have more input to go by, I'll error on the safe/considerate side for now, until I hear from say more than half of the regulars, or a trend appears if things are slow.... I'll (til then) use default on everything, except maybe italics and/or bold as would be common in other threads. Default for now, as in 'de fault of de map-guy' - me ! ...lol...

I am accustomed to using font utilities to identify info classes on maps I make. I have seen cartographers fired over A: easily a hundred hours of math in abstracting field notes; then after all that done impeccably,B: forget the target audience was a '101 class'-size semi-auditorium-sized 'quiem' room, and they made the map title and legend/key useful for reading at 1 -3 feet away ! Well this isn't mapping here, but courtesy is allways correct, which is what I want to ensure with your help.I definately do not want to lose a valued player (which is everybody!) to something as easy to correct as color/font/& font size usage.

Is it bothering you guys ? I never thought of that; readability, yes, and a method to the madness, yes, but discourteously I never thought to ask if it was hard on anyone. -sigh- I can tell you what I see when I look over the last few pages... setting aside the inordinate amount of color in the '2nd clues' for two potential dead-horses where color helped, I'd have to say there are only about 5 colors that read well against the rather dark blue skin of corfid. What I did see mostly was that, given a readable contrast on color choice, what I found the most difficult/eyestraining was font selection. I'm given to certain types of info in 'Comic sans MS' and 'Book Antiqua' to distinguish the info class with a number of colors, sort of in the same way we use italics at times. I did find 'Book Antiqua' was hard to read unless I went from default size of 2, changed to 3. And big, happy fonts were 'signs of success', or new clues etc. Its not gonna bust my chops either way ..lol... so waddya think ?

OK back to biz.

If you wanna really rip into me..lol... please PM me. lol Thanks!

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Current status as of 2:30 am 12/16:

Q236 .... road signs .... Joveski got it with 'Bells of the evening'

Q237 .... of a taxi .... Joveski got it with'Betty Called Me In'

Q238 ....motor.... Remains unanswered. 2nd clue is: not allowed over in USA

Q239 ....or swim jj got it with 'You'll Still Be Needing Me'

Q240 ....not a pretty....Joveski got it again ! with: 'Uncle Toad Said''

Q241 ..... overhead formerlyLavender got it with: 'Brave Mountaineers'

Q242 ....in my shoes Sorry Mende, close..Remains Unanswered 2nd Clue:'where's my carbide lamp?

Q243 To understand .... Remains Unanswered 2nd Clue: 'I know what they said, but...'

Q244 Pay any dues .... Remains Unanswered. 2nd Clue Who or what would know ?
Q245 ....old Mexico 2nd Clue: Goodby

SQ1 Story clue - He still sort of loves her, but wants her to be happy moreso than necessarily to love him, if she needs him at a certain time of day, he'll be there for her, but if for any reason she wants him to leave, he'll be on a train outta there. - Ron answered with 'If You Need Me' . .......-Very close, and good guess, Ron. I'd consider it as a valid ambig IF it met all the criteria stated, but the most tangible piece of info was the train, and it appears in the lyrics of the intended song. Were it not for that, I'd go with your answer....interesting how Lightfoot has recurrent themes, in different ways, that make each song seem entirely new ! Sorry Ron, but good try.

OK there she be. 6 to go including the Unanswered, and the attempts that were not yet correct. Congratulations to the first round !

12-16-2008, 05:35 AM	#678
geodeticman.5 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Eastern Slope urban corridor, Colo. USA Posts: 1,007	Re: GL Lyrics fan(atics) fun quizzers and more ! ================================================== ======== Hey guys, here is our current status, after a question for you all..... ================================================== ======== 1st: A question for all of you below; can I have your opinion ? If you wish to skip the discussion of the question, I'll bottom line it for you here and right now: If you knew that so far we've had a player mention that the font colors, font choices, font sizes, etc (like the Yellow clue numbers, red,white,and blue Congratulations !, purple story clues, etc) were giving the player visual distress and perhaps a headache, would you vote to change format to default everything, as I have done here in this as a courtesy and test run to the player it distressed visually ? So if you wish to skip the longer explanation of the same basic elements of the above to consider in more depth, just go down to the bar-line where it says'OK Back to biz'. And please express you opinion ! Thanks ! *More in-depth considerations worth noting:I've been trying to use the colors/fonts/sizes as a utility. Typically- yellow/gold - you know that color means clue numbers and essential information, correct song, big X, etc. Blue have typically been extranneous notes, and last set of medium blue, deliberately to evoke thoughts of water,were actually part* of the story 2nd clue that helped Dave from Melbourne figure out the 'River of Light' story clue. Similarly, purple was used in that same post to help as 2nd clue successfully to help formerlyLavendar (by coincidence) to figure out the song in 2nd clue story-format on 'Approaching Lavender'. So, I'd say the last 3 pages have been an inordinate amount of color. We've had one person speak of of it (color/font/size etc variations) being distressing visually, which I can certainly understand ! How about the rest of you ? - as we have approached this game as democratically as possible. I've also pretty consistently used the same color seperately for your names, eg Ron your name is always Red; Joveski you can similarly find comments or replies to you with your name in green, etc for everyone of the regular players. That has always felt like a courtesy extended to each of you. Admittedly, a little tiny one....lol .Having said that, its been a utility as intended, for me, but I need more input like one player's helpful info on eye fatigue/headache with color/font/size et al. I'm inclined to change all to default fonts, no color, etc., but am curious how most of you like/not/indifferent feel about it. Not a crucial question in the big path of life.lol... but maybe a kindness to show. So, for now, what of color/font/size at least as identifers of type of info i.e. yellow clues & bottom-line info, consistent color to find your name, etc., 'FOR & AGIN" comments would be really appreciated. Until I have more input to go by, I'll error on the safe/considerate side for now, until I hear from say more than half of the regulars, or a trend appears if things are slow.... I'll (til then) use default on everything, except maybe italics and/or bold as would be common in other threads. Default for now, as in 'de fault of de map-guy' - me ! ...lol... I am accustomed to using font utilities to identify info classes on maps I make. I have seen cartographers fired over A: easily a hundred hours of math in abstracting field notes; then after all that done impeccably,B: forget the target audience was a '101 class'-size semi-auditorium-sized 'quiem' room, and they made the map title and legend/key useful for reading at 1 -3 feet away ! Well this isn't mapping here, but courtesy is allways correct, which is what I want to ensure with your help.I definately do not want to lose a valued player (which is everybody!) to something as easy to correct as color/font/& font size usage. Is it bothering you guys ? I never thought of that; readability, yes, and a method to the madness, yes, but discourteously I never thought to ask if it was hard on anyone. -sigh- I can tell you what I see when I look over the last few pages... setting aside the inordinate amount of color in the '2nd clues' for two potential dead-horses where color helped, I'd have to say there are only about 5 colors that read well against the rather dark blue skin of corfid. What I did see mostly was that, given a readable contrast on color choice, what I found the most difficult/eyestraining was font selection. I'm given to certain types of info in 'Comic sans MS' and 'Book Antiqua' to distinguish the info class with a number of colors, sort of in the same way we use italics at times. I did find 'Book Antiqua' was hard to read unless I went from default size of 2, changed to 3. And big, happy fonts were 'signs of success', or new clues etc. Its not gonna bust my chops either way ..lol... so waddya think ? *OK back to biz.* If you wanna really rip into me..lol... please PM me. lol Thanks! ================================================== ======== Current status as of 2:30 am 12/16: Q236 .... road signs .... Joveski got it with 'Bells of the evening' Q237 .... of a taxi .... Joveski got it with'Betty Called Me In' Q238 ....motor.... Remains unanswered. 2nd clue is: not allowed over in USA Q239 ....or swim jj got it with 'You'll Still Be Needing Me' Q240 ....not a pretty....Joveski got it again ! with: 'Uncle Toad Said'' Q241 ..... overhead formerlyLavender got it with: 'Brave Mountaineers' Q242 ....in my shoes Sorry Mende, close..Remains Unanswered 2nd Clue:'where's my carbide lamp? Q243 To understand .... Remains Unanswered 2nd Clue: 'I know what they said, but...' Q244 Pay any dues .... Remains Unanswered. 2nd Clue Who or what would know ? Q245 ....old Mexico 2nd Clue: Goodby SQ1 Story clue - He still sort of loves her, but wants her to be happy moreso than necessarily to love him, if she needs him at a certain time of day, he'll be there for her, but if for any reason she wants him to leave, he'll be on a train outta there. - Ron answered with 'If You Need Me' . .......-Very close, and good guess, Ron. I'd consider it as a valid ambig IF it met all the criteria stated, but the most tangible piece of info was the train, and it appears in the lyrics of the intended song. Were it not for that, I'd go with your answer....interesting how Lightfoot has recurrent themes, in different ways, that make each song seem entirely new ! Sorry Ron, but good try. OK there she be. 6 to go including the Unanswered, and the attempts that were not yet correct. Congratulations to the first round ! __________________ ~geo Steve . :"I will leave my footprints there to lie beneath the snow" ~gl Quote to ponder: "A thousand words leave not the same deep impression as does a single deed." ~ Henrik Ibsen Last edited by geodeticman.5; 12-16-2008 at 05:51 AM.