You know when I was kid my dad was ALWAYS playing that Carpenter's stuff and my ears cringed cuz well you know I didn't like that mushy stuff. From a drummer's viewpoint now, I didn't realize that Karen was the drummer as well as the vocalist..and I know full well how difficult it is to sing and play drums at the same time and I guess I had a new found respect for her abilities as a musician even I don't necessarily like every thing they did song wise