You know, ?, this isn't one of my all time favorite threads either. I dislike some of the holier than thou attitudes that come across in these heated discussions - or rather accusation slingings, since it's only a discussion when all parties share their thoughts with respect of - even if it's not agreement with - everyone elses thoughts. But I digress....you know what is going to be here when you open this thread, so if you don't enjoy it or don't care to contribute to it - skip it. No one is forcing you to read it. There is no reason for a thread to be removed, just because things are said that aren't popular with everyone. I didn't always feel this way, but now I find that it can be rather amusing to see people make complete asses of themselves - and no, I won't share my list of those who I feel succeeded in that