Guitarists: which songs does/did he play with capo in 3rd position?
CRT for example
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circle of steel & early morning rain?
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On The High Seas is another. Nice 6-string tune. (Circle of Steel is 1st fret IIRC, BTW)
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first, wow, an honour to have you reply here, matthew...hope all's well
for those unaware, matt is one who thanked in the Songbook compilation for helping spread the good word on the net way back when...a founding father http://web.archive.org/web/199812031...fer/lightfoot/ ok, so this means OTHS is in Bb? i will have to dig up DSR and check it out...i didn't notice the capo positioning on the 79 Soundstage (speaking of digging stuff out!) EMR, of course, thanks....a conflict regarding COS, eh...i guess the jury's out didn't realize he's ever capo-ed 1st fret...has he ever played any without capo at all? keep em comin...there must be a mittful, no? |
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Going to see him in Oct so I'll see what he does on his present repertoire and let you know. I'm finding myself using the capo more now as the voice range shrinks. Gord may be doing the same??
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CRT and EMR are on third fret in concert on the twelve string. Not sure about six string guitar with third fret capo.
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I'm not positive, but I think he's played Don Quixote on the 3rd.
It also seems as if some album versions of various songs are recorded a half step lower but again, I'm not sure. I'll bet that was helpful! |
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pretty sure we have nailed the current set lists as only having EMR and CRT but yeah, check it out, tom...thanks
DQ, eh? in recent year's performances, i never noticed the 6 string w/capo+3 for any tunes...and didn't realize he was moving the capo about at all over the years (i highly recommend he moves it to 1st fret or take it off all together (control yourself, gals...lol) re older tracks, i was wondering about Farewell to Annabelle, The Way I Feel? i suppose we could list all the recorded key signatures of GL tunes, does this already exist? i'm guessing a whole whack are in A, B, E...with EMR/CRT in F, etc...too bad nothing in G or D (i suppose Shadows is) |
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COTS and ODR. They are the only case where he moves the capo on stage, and that's why they are the last 6 string tune. (He plays DQ with capo in the normal 2nd fret position).
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i'm pretty sure the studio version of Circle of steel has it in the 3rd fret
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more cool responses folks (yeah, that makes sense, val)
yeah, matt...i'd think many would but i'm actually just zeroing in on what actual key signatures the song are in (without going through all the tunes one by one with an instrument in hand)...i suppose most are in E, B, A (2 out of 3 of my least favourite keys, lol) meaning GL plays in friendly D, A, G guitar keys with capo+2...i've always jammed with guitarists playing in D, G or whatever without capos i've got a list going that has guitar vs. actual key signatures and assume all but a half down are with capo in 2nd position (COTS, ODR, CRT, EMR plus some up for debate:)) in summary, yeah, i'd like to know which are not in 2nd position..looking forward to other's continued input (btw, this aint the first time i've tried to get this chat going) 10 Degrees and Getting Colder 14 Karat Gold A Lesson In Love A Message To The Wind A Minor Ballad A Painter Passing Through A Passing Ship A Tree Too Weak To Stand Affair On th Avenue Alberta Bound All I'm After All The Lovely Ladies Always On The Bright Side Anything For Love Apology Approaching Lavender Baby It's Allright Baby Step Back Ballad of Yarmouth Castle Beautiful Bells Of The Evening Bend In The Water Betty Called Me In Biscuit City Bitter Green Bitter Green Black Day In July Blackberry Wine Boathouse Borderstone Boss Man Boss Man Brave Mountaineers Broken Dreams Cabaret Canadian Railroad Trilogy Canadian Railroad Trilogy Canary Yellow Canoe Can't Depend On Love Carefree Highway Changes Cherokee Bend Christian Island (Georgian Bay) Circle Of Steel Clouds Of Loneliness Cobwebs & Dust Cold Hands From New York Cold On The Shoulder Cotton Jenny Couchiching Crossroads Daylight Katy Did She Mention My Name Does Your Mother Know Don Quixote Don't Beat Me Down Dream Street Rose Dreamland Drifters Drink Yer Glasses Empty Early Mornin' Rain East Of Midnight Ecstasy Made Easy End Of All Time Endless Wire Fading Away Farewell To Annabel Fine As Fine Can Be Flyin' Blind For Lovin' Me Forgive Me Lord Ghosts Of Cape Horn Go Go Round Go My Way Gotta Get Away Hangdog Hotel Room Harmony Heaven Don't Deserve Me Heaven Help The Devil Hey You High And Dry Hi'Way Songs Home From The Forest I Used To be A Country Singer I Want To Hear It From You I'd Do It Again I'd Rather Press On If Children Had Wings If I Could If There's A Reason If You Could Read My Mind If You Got It If You Need Me I'll Be Alright I'll Do Anything I'll Prove My Love I'll Tag Along I'm Not Sayin' I'm Not Sayin' / Ribbon of Darkness I'm Not Supposed To Care In A Windowpane In My Fashion Inspiration Lady Is There Anyone Home It's Too Late, He Wins It's Worth Believin' Keepin' On Yearning Knotty Pine Lazy Mornin' Leaves of Grass Let It Ride Lifeline Long Thin Dawn Long Way Back Home Looking At The Rain Love and Maple Syrup Magnificent Outpouring Make Way For The Lady Mama Said Marie Christine May I Me And Bobby McGee Miguel Minstrel Of The Dawn Mister Rock Of Ages Morning Glory Mother Of A Miner's Child Mountains And Marian Much To My Surprise My Little Love My Pony Won't Go Never Say Trust Me Never Too Close No Mistake About It Nous Vivons Ensemble Now And Then Ode To Big Blue Oh, Linda Old Dan's Records On Susan's Floor On The High Seas On Yonge Street Only Love Would Know Ordinary Man Peaceful Waters Poor Little Allison Pride Of Man Protocol Pussy Willows, Cat Tails Pussywillows, Cattails Race Among The Ruins Rainbow Trout Rainy Day People Red Velvet Redwood Hill Remember Me (I'm The One) Restless Ribbon Of Darkness Rich Man's Spiritual Ring Them Bells Ringneck Loon River Of Light Romance Rosanna Salute (A Lot More Livin' To Do) Same Old Loverman Saturday Clothes Sea Of Tranquility Second Cup Of Coffee Seven Island Suite Shadows Shellfish She's Not The Same Sit Down Young Stranger Sixteen Miles Slide On Over Softly Softly Someone To Believe In Something Very Special Sometimes I Don't Mind Sometimes I Wish Somewhere U.S.A. Song For A Winter's Night Songs The Minstrel Sang Spanish Moss Station Master Stay Loose Steel Rail Blues Stone Cold Sober Summer Side Of Life Summertime Dream Sundown Sweet Guinevere Talking In Your Sleep Tattoo Thank You For The Promises That Same Old Obsession The Auctioneer The Circle Is Small The Circle Is Small The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face The Gypsy The House You Live In The Last Time I Saw Her The List The Long River The Lost Children The No Hotel The Patriot's Dream The Pony Man The Soul Is The Rock The Watchman's Gone The Way I Feel The Way I Feel The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald Too Late For Prayin' Too Many Clues In This Room Too Much To Lose Triangle Uncle Toad Said Unsettled Ways Waiting For You Walls Welcome To Try Wherefore And Why Whisper My Name Whispers Of The North Why Should I Feel Blue Wild Strawberries Without You You Are What I Am You Just Gotta Be You'll Still Be Needing Me Your Love's Return |
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All I can say is.... I wish he hadn't... play in the 3rd position that is . Especially now after we've live a little bit longer and we can't hit the notes.
Spanish Moss ...i think on 3 oringinally ...i've got it down to 1 LOL |
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i believe these are some others, based on studio recordings anyhow: She's Not the Same (guitar D - actual key F) Triangle (as above) Thank You for the Promises (as above) Carefree Highway (as above) DSR (as above) Circle of Steel (as above) Race Among(st?) the Ruins (as above) I'll Do Anything - guitar G - actual key Bb Beautiful - guitar A - actual key C Daylight Katy - guitar C - actual key Eb The circle is Small - guitar F - actual key Ab there seems to also be many with capo on first fret (HHTD, IMF, BW...) i suppose his current show simplifies (from a practical standpoint) by keeping them mainly in 2nd fret...as a consequence some may be actually higher pitch than his studio recordings (eg. Sundown, In My Fashion, Blackberry Wine?) i've concluded there are many, many that he plays in a different key live vs the original studio version...i wonder if this was also the case with GG1 and GG2 off the floor recordings |
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On teh question of any he plays with capo on the first fret Ordinary Man would qualify.
I don't think he believes in playing with no capo and certainly doesn't like moving the capo around which is no doubt a byproduct of being a fanatic about being absolutely in tune. Hard to do live. |
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thanks for the food for thought, fezo
i think he has 18 guitars (not sure how many quality acoustic 6 strings) and would hope there's room on stage to add a dedicated 1st fretter up there...anyhow, i'm sure it's been tossed about by the master and his boys, and i'm just beating a dead horse here, lol in toying with a capo, i've noticed how easy (well, in my case, i should say 'not as difficult') it is to move about the fretboard with capo up one or two frets...i end up overshooting some of the neck frets targeted... conversely, in GL's case, going capoless might present some muscle memory issues but after some conditioning those large fingers could stretch wherever he please...i am thinking a vocalist might need a more hearty wind (diaphragm reliance) to sing in a lower key and that could be what's at the root of the matter Ordinary Man is in my top three...thanks again for the tidbit well, i'm pretty keyed up in seeing if mr fifer follows through with his offer :clap: |
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looks like i have some homework this weekend.
i'll do both: capo fret and actual key (expect a few zingers as my theory is rusty) sound good? |
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sounds good....i've sifted thru alpha-ordered (from A to G) song samplers from Amazon (which is missing many) and concluded that there a few one-offs from the typical 2nd fret placement
1st fret: anything for love - Ab crossroads - Ebm fine as fine can be - Eb high and dry - Db 3rd fret: bells of the evening - F bitter green - F (although in E on GG1) circle of steel - F cold on the shoulder - G* cdn railroad trilogy - F did she mention my name - G* don't beat me down - Gm early mornin rain - F i want to hear it from you - F the circle is small - Eb the gypsy - C* 4th fret: the first time ever i saw your face - F# will be interested to see if this subset ties into what you come up with this will be handy for jamming with those who prefer to stick to GL's original key cheers * = guitar voicing sounds as if capoed but can also just play w/o capo:) |
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i had some fun with the guitar near the computer, and for the tunes i came across at amazon or my itunes:
seems about 30 are capo in 3rd position, primiarily in F another 10 in 1st position about half dozen in 4th or 5th positions there are a few like DSMMN and ROD just played in G, no capo same with Magnificent Outpouting but in D definitively a heap of tunes in E, A or B...i did find about 25 in the key of D |
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Of course this is assuming he's playing those third fret capo positions using the standard fingerings.
Don't forget, for those of you new to the guitar, that while capo position can change the key the song is played in, the capo can stay right where it is, the fingerings change to a new key, and off you go. So with the capo at fret 2, playing in "G" is actually playing in "A", etc., but you can play in "A" just fine. As far as CRT goes, I believe he's tuned that 12 string one fret down, so the capo at the third fret sounds like the second fret at concert pitch. He's also using dropped "D" tuning. The base "E" strings are dropped to "D". I play CRT that way too. That's why you see two different 12s during the concerts. |
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the majority of the time when he has the capo up 3 fret, it's to take him to the key of F while benefiting from playing in D on guitar ....rather than having to play chords such as Gm Bb etc he may also prefer for chord voicing as well as minimizing fingering changes during passing chords i also believe novices (even pros, lol) should hide the capo and play in A rather than G+2 ...GL often plays in D but achieves this playing in C+2....he also plays a few in G but strategizing playing in E+3 seems like GL's guitar keys are C D E G A as well as Dm Em and Am |
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JJ.
I don't know that he does it, but it isn't odd to drop a 12 string's tuning at all. Many 12 string players do it as a standard practice. In fact, I'd say that a 12 at concert pitch would be the exception, not the rule. Many players like the more gutsy sound. Some drop it because they mix the gauge of strings and don't go with lights, or extra lights. The heavier gauge string(s) would require dropping from standard pitch to protect the guitar. There was a Acoustic Guitar piece on Gord and his guitar gear published a few years ago. If I remember it right, he did mix string gauges on the Gibsons. Like I said, I'm not sure Gord does it, but low tuning a 12 is pretty well established. |
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yeah mike, i drop my 6 a half tone so i can ply in Gb without having to capo up to 4th position while playing in D...if i try a whole tone i get some buzzing...i also like easing off strings cos i'm in a dry cool environment and all that tension has the neck eeking...i got rid of a Tak 12 for that reason but maybe i should have entirely tuned it down to D as you suggest
so, i get dropping down but not then offsetting with a capo, i'm not sure if you read that part of my reply ie. so your hunch is that he would have a dedicated 12 dropped down a half or whole tone (-1 or -2) but then a capo would be place on to bring pitch back up and then some (+3)? (ie. drop one tone then put capo on 3rd position which net out to increasing the pitch by a half tone...why not just leave guitar in standard tuning and place capo in first position?) a simpler example: drop the guitar a whole tone then place capo on second position (whole tone increase)...it nets out to no change in pitch so why bother? what i'm saying is i've never heard of mixing an overall dropped tuning of strings with capo use anyhow, i've never heard CRT in any other key than F (capo 3rd fret meaning standard tuning of guitar where D chord formation is taken up to F) i'm no guitar nut but i've love to browse that article: any online archive? |
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Like 12-String Mike, I too was wondering about drop-down tuning (and also, w/capo). It's something I used to do regularly (with and w/o a capo) until I switched to using s&s strings. When using brass-wound, it's a must for me in order to get better tuning/tone/action.
After many years, I found I was having to tune down again when I bought a Yama APX500 (a nice little kick around guitar) last Spring. I didn't want to waste a new set of brass wounds...so I haven't put a set of s&s's on yet. Unlike jj's cool/dry I had an issue with heat/humidity all summer, which has continued off and on. There's no A/C for my upper level here and I hadn't played the guitar all summer. I hadn't tuned down the strings and had left the capo on. I was upset with myself for neglecting it when I finally got around to picking it up and had 2-3 strings buzzing :(. I had an issue with a single buzzing string that I wasn't able to resolve on the Ibanez I traded in for the Yama so I was thinking "not again" :(. It was another few weeks until I had a chance to deal with the buzzing strings on the Yama. Thought the neck seemed a little off just eye-balling it, but it checked out fine with a line level. Anyway, in no time I found that the pegs for these strings had popped slightly so that was an easy fix. I did have a problem finding proper-fitting pegs for the Ibanez which was probably the issue that I had with the buzzing on that single string. Back on track w/this thread, I also wondered if Gordon may have to tune down to compensate for any issue related to the environment affecting his guitar, string action or even acoustics, etc. |
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