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endlesswire78 07-06-2003 01:11 PM

I have a question about a section of this song much as I had with "Restless." Does anyone know how to play that rundown Gord uses in the beginning and in between verses? Its easier to hear on the UA version compared to GG where there is much use of strings. All I know is that I can't see what Terry is playing on the Live In Reno DVD. So if anyone out there knows, please tell me.

endlesswire78 07-06-2003 01:11 PM

I have a question about a section of this song much as I had with "Restless." Does anyone know how to play that rundown Gord uses in the beginning and in between verses? Its easier to hear on the UA version compared to GG where there is much use of strings. All I know is that I can't see what Terry is playing on the Live In Reno DVD. So if anyone out there knows, please tell me.

tim 07-06-2003 01:55 PM

If you just mean what chords, it's F - - -
C - - - C - - - G - - - G - - - C - - -
C - - D G - - - :G "The lamp is burnin' low..."
(capoed at second fret I think)

If you what you want is actual tablature for what Terry does I can only say I'd like that too. I love that song.

tim 07-06-2003 01:55 PM

If you just mean what chords, it's F - - -
C - - - C - - - G - - - G - - - C - - -
C - - D G - - - :G "The lamp is burnin' low..."
(capoed at second fret I think)

If you what you want is actual tablature for what Terry does I can only say I'd like that too. I love that song.

Cathy 07-06-2003 02:08 PM

I kind of play a combination of what Gord and Terry plays, which works out pretty well if you're playing it solo. In concert, Gord just plays the GaddD all the way through the intro and between verses. Terry, or in the case of the UA recordings, Red does the riff we're all so familiar with. Here's how I do it. I start out playing four bars of GaddD, Travis picked, then I go into the riff playing the following chords.
F/G = 3X0011
C/G = 3X0010
D7/G = 3X0012
G = 3X0003

The whole idea is to play a G bass throughout the entire riff, while playing F, C, D7 and G chords on your 1st and 2nd strings and with leaving the 3rd and 4th strings open on each chord. Don't play the 5th string at all. You travis pick the entire riff, but each chord change starts out with a pinch of the 1st, 2nd and 6th strings. If you want to listen to how it sounds, go to my website at http://www.cathycowette.com. There are a couple versions: one with me solo, and one with Derek Kidd on lead.
Here's the picking pattern. Notations inside the bracket indicate the pinch, strings you play together:
[T6, M2, R1], T4, I3, T6, R1, T4
You use the above picking pattern for all four chords.
I also have tablature written out, but would have to scan it in. I'm at Val Magee's in NY right now and don't have access to a scanner, but we could get it to you tomorrow. Reply to vlmagee@mageenet.net if you want the tab, and she'll get it to you tomorrow.

Hope this makes a little bit of sense!
Cathy

[This message has been edited by Cathy (edited July 06, 2003)... because I was stupid and put Gadd9 instead of GaddD, which it's supposed to be...]

[This message has been edited by Cathy (edited July 06, 2003).]

vlmagee 07-06-2003 02:17 PM

Cathy asked me to add that it's played with the capo on the 2nd fret.

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tim 07-06-2003 09:34 PM

Yes, that's true, there is a G in the base on all four chords. But there's no dominant 7th in the D, at least not on the UA recording. Of course that doesn't mean you can't put it there if you want to.

tim 07-06-2003 09:34 PM

Yes, that's true, there is a G in the base on all four chords. But there's no dominant 7th in the D, at least not on the UA recording. Of course that doesn't mean you can't put it there if you want to.

AlfredSaww 07-07-2003 04:33 AM

Cathy I am intersted in your GaddD chord. My very limited music theory tells me that the triad that makes up the Gmaj chord is G, C & D. Therefore there is no need to add the D, it is already there. I believe it is the 'perfect' 5th in the Gmaj scale.
By the way, I have visited your website on more than one occasion, I am impressed http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

Ben Dover 07-07-2003 04:33 AM

Cathy I am intersted in your GaddD chord. My very limited music theory tells me that the triad that makes up the Gmaj chord is G, C & D. Therefore there is no need to add the D, it is already there. I believe it is the 'perfect' 5th in the Gmaj scale.
By the way, I have visited your website on more than one occasion, I am impressed http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

AlfredSaww 07-07-2003 04:38 AM

Ouch, the biter has been bit http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif The triad that forms the Gmaj chord is G, B & D. I must have been thinking about 1, 4, 5 chords.
Get it right, chum. I am going back to bed http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif

Ben Dover 07-07-2003 04:38 AM

Ouch, the biter has been bit http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif The triad that forms the Gmaj chord is G, B & D. I must have been thinking about 1, 4, 5 chords.
Get it right, chum. I am going back to bed http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif

Borderstone 07-07-2003 07:47 PM

Here we go again. I just played that LP Friday night! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif Coincidence? I think not. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

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Borderstone (Also known as,"The B!")

Cathy 07-08-2003 08:31 PM

quote:Originally posted by Ben Dover:
Cathy I am intersted in your GaddD chord. My very limited music theory tells me that the triad that makes up the Gmaj chord is G, C & D. Therefore there is no need to add the D, it is already there. I believe it is the 'perfect' 5th in the Gmaj scale.
By the way, I have visited your website on more than one occasion, I am impressed http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif


Thanks, Ben. I'm glad you enjoyed the music. I have to give a lot of credit to the other members of the Lightfoot Tribute Band: Derek Kidd, Ed Mullen and Matt Carl and the elusive Lori who couldn't make the last concert. If you want to hear more, go to http://www.edmullen.com. He has some tribute songs posted, too.
The GaddD I'm referring to is a common chord. Instead of playing the third fret of the 1st string, play the third fret of the 2nd string. Many times, particularly on songs that are strummed, you can play the third fret of both strings.

Cathy


Cathy 07-08-2003 08:44 PM

quote:Originally posted by tim:
Yes, that's true, there is a G in the base on all four chords. But there's no dominant 7th in the D, at least not on the UA recording. Of course that doesn't mean you can't put it there if you want to.


I've tried it both ways. I like the sound of the D7, and it's a much easier change going from C/G to D7/G than going to D/G. It works for me, something like "Huk'd on foniks wirks fir me."

Cathy

Cathy 07-08-2003 08:46 PM

quote:Originally posted by Borderstone:
Here we go again. I just played that LP Friday night! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif Coincidence? I think not. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif



I'm betting you play a few Lightfoot CDs everyday, so it's more of a probability than a coincidence!

Cathy



Borderstone 07-09-2003 06:03 PM

Well,Cathy...I'm sure we all do! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif Otherwise,we wouldn't be "real fans or avid listners" would we? Yes,I do play them quite frequently,not every day but maybe once or twice a week at the most. My brother likes some of the songs but he's not able to sit through an entire CD like I do. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Now he knows how I felt when he used to play 1970's Elvis tapes all of the time! Can you imagine how depressing it is to hear,"American Trilogy" or "Don't Cry Daddy" almost every other day? http://www.corfid.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif I'd come home in a good mood and if he was playing that stuff,I'd get out of there before it got to me. I'm easily moved in emotion,unfortunatley. I'm glad I have a place to myself now. It's been me,later! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/cool.gif

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Borderstone (Also known as,"The B!")

[This message has been edited by Borderstone (edited July 09, 2003).]

AlfredSaww 07-10-2003 05:15 AM

Thank you Cathy, for the explanation of the chord, I am familiar with the shape you describe, it is Liam Gallager's favourite chord shape, although he leaves his pinky on the e string 3rd fret, and moves his middle and index around from D to A7 to G to C. with a constant g & d note(s) ringing out on the high strings. Witness 'Wonderwall'
I am just about to check out the Ed Mullen site http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

Ben Dover 07-10-2003 05:15 AM

Thank you Cathy, for the explanation of the chord, I am familiar with the shape you describe, it is Liam Gallager's favourite chord shape, although he leaves his pinky on the e string 3rd fret, and moves his middle and index around from D to A7 to G to C. with a constant g & d note(s) ringing out on the high strings. Witness 'Wonderwall'
I am just about to check out the Ed Mullen site http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

AlfredSaww 07-10-2003 08:41 AM

Oh dear! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif more embarrassment.
It isNoel not Liam http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif

Ben Dover 07-10-2003 08:41 AM

Oh dear! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif more embarrassment.
It isNoel not Liam http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif

AlfredSaww 07-10-2003 08:53 AM

Cathy I have visited the Ed Mullen site and am unable to locate any songs whatsoever?

Ben Dover 07-10-2003 08:53 AM

Cathy I have visited the Ed Mullen site and am unable to locate any songs whatsoever?

Cathy 07-11-2003 05:15 AM

quote:Originally posted by Ben Dover:
Cathy I have visited the Ed Mullen site and am unable to locate any songs whatsoever?

Well, I see the problem, Ben. edmullen.com takes you to a completely different site now. I'll have to point that out to Ed. I don't even know if it's his site. (Oh God, noooooo!!!! Don't tell me there are two Ed Mullens! The world can't take it..)
Try this link: http://www.edmullen.ehost.com/

While you're there, make sure you check out his site map.

Cathy



AlfredSaww 07-12-2003 04:29 AM

Thank you Cathy, that site is pretty impressive.

Ben Dover 07-12-2003 04:29 AM

Thank you Cathy, that site is pretty impressive.


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