For those of you who are subscribed to the Gordon Lightfoot yahoo group, I received a rather puzzling Email from a lady by the name of Kara stating that she resented what I said and she accused me of being another member to that group!!!??? I haven't got a clue what in the world she is talking about and I am currently very puzzled and unable to understand what I did wrong. I made some very nice comments about John Fowles on the group and I got this rather angry Email from Kara. I don't have a clue who this person is and if any of you have any idea can you please please let me know? If you Email me right now at maheen5894@sympatico.ca I will forward you this Email because she does not sound a bit pleasant what so ever. I am totally confused as to what I did wrong I am really really sorry about this.
Sincerely, Maheen.

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For those of you who are subscribed to the Gordon Lightfoot yahoo group, I received a rather puzzling Email from a lady by the name of Kara stating that she resented what I said and she accused me of being another member to that group!!!??? I haven't got a clue what in the world she is talking about and I am currently very puzzled and unable to understand what I did wrong. I made some very nice comments about John Fowles on the group and I got this rather angry Email from Kara. I don't have a clue who this person is and if any of you have any idea can you please please let me know? If you Email me right now at maheen5894@sympatico.ca I will forward you this Email because she does not sound a bit pleasant what so ever. I am totally confused as to what I did wrong I am really really sorry about this.
Sincerely, Maheen.

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OK Maheen and I know who this mysterious person is.
She has upset me mightily twice buy sending me insane allegations that I have filched the subject heading from her Yahoo group messages when replying to somebobdy else-plainly absurd. yesterday Maheen got a similar attack which upset him.
I have twice spent much time trying to answer this person's stupid Lightfoot questions yet she has never had the common decency of thanking me me but yesterday on the gordonlightfoot Yahoo group she had the gall to ask who I was. I happened to comment to Maheen in an MSN Messenger chat seesion at the time she was firing off her vitriolic ramblings and casually said she was an ungrateful bitch (patently true) and Maheen liked the sound of that and included it in his next Yahoo posting, wherupon he was accused of using fowl language
note fowl not fowles
I have now sent her a lengthy screed apprising her the facts of internet topics/threads and inviting her to apologise profusely to Maheen and myself on both the
Yahoo group and here but so far no word from her I will give her a few more hours then proceed to publicly pillory her by posting the contents of my email here and on the two Yahhoo groups that she has sullied with her rubbish.
So who is this woman* (see below)?
According to her Yahoo profile
Real Name: Kara
Location: St.Paul MN (I know that not all Minnesotans are stoopid and rude)
Age: 41 uh oh Menopause at work no doubt!!
Marital Status: Single (no surprise there!!)
Gender: Female* but see below
Occupation: un-employed
*and get this amongst her listed hobbies
"I continue with my M-F gender change transition!" thus the word I used above should be(wo)menopause
there is most surprisingly a photograph of this strange creature
http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/users/41ca4...__sr_/23b8.jpg f1Tu.BBcR9rn6TQ]">
sorry I cannot get "her" yahoo pic to display here nor will notlong.com accept the actual
Yahoo address so you will have to see it in situ on its profile page at:- http://profiles.yahoo.com/kmsc22001
Unfortunately of course Maheen is unable to feast his eyes on this delectable image
John Fowles
Can fat people go skinny-dipping??

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OK Maheen and I know who this mysterious person is.
She has upset me mightily twice buy sending me insane allegations that I have filched the subject heading from her Yahoo group messages when replying to somebobdy else-plainly absurd. yesterday Maheen got a similar attack which upset him.
I have twice spent much time trying to answer this person's stupid Lightfoot questions yet she has never had the common decency of thanking me me but yesterday on the gordonlightfoot Yahoo group she had the gall to ask who I was. I happened to comment to Maheen in an MSN Messenger chat seesion at the time she was firing off her vitriolic ramblings and casually said she was an ungrateful bitch (patently true) and Maheen liked the sound of that and included it in his next Yahoo posting, wherupon he was accused of using fowl language
note fowl not fowles
I have now sent her a lengthy screed apprising her the facts of internet topics/threads and inviting her to apologise profusely to Maheen and myself on both the
Yahoo group and here but so far no word from her I will give her a few more hours then proceed to publicly pillory her by posting the contents of my email here and on the two Yahhoo groups that she has sullied with her rubbish.
So who is this woman* (see below)?
According to her Yahoo profile
Real Name: Kara
Location: St.Paul MN (I know that not all Minnesotans are stoopid and rude)
Age: 41 uh oh Menopause at work no doubt!!
Marital Status: Single (no surprise there!!)
Gender: Female* but see below
Occupation: un-employed
*and get this amongst her listed hobbies
"I continue with my M-F gender change transition!" thus the word I used above should be(wo)menopause
there is most surprisingly a photograph of this strange creature
http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/users/41ca4...__sr_/23b8.jpg f1Tu.BBcR9rn6TQ]">
sorry I cannot get "her" yahoo pic to display here nor will notlong.com accept the actual
Yahoo address so you will have to see it in situ on its profile page at:- http://profiles.yahoo.com/kmsc22001
Unfortunately of course Maheen is unable to feast his eyes on this delectable image
John Fowles
Can fat people go skinny-dipping??

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I wasn't aware there was a Yahoo Group. How do I join?

Sorry to hear these things are happening to you.

Jeff

Hello Jeff!
You may join the yahoogroup by simply sending an Email to gordonlightfoot-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and you have to conform whether you want to be a member and when you do this you will become a member! Hope this helps!

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Hello Jeff!
You may join the yahoogroup by simply sending an Email to gordonlightfoot-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and you have to conform whether you want to be a member and when you do this you will become a member! Hope this helps!

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Not menopausal, no, unless the hormones aren't working. I did some background searching on Kara Krisch (ya gotta love the internet - it's all out there) and Kara Krisch used to be Gordon Krisch, class of '82 Sterling College. S/he's transgendered, originally of Clarksburg Maryland and later lived in Portland Oregon before turning up in St. Paul. S/he also has other issues which aren't germane to this forum. She posts fairly often on rec.folk.music.

[This message has been edited by Auburn Annie (edited January 29, 2005).]

Not menopausal, no, unless the hormones aren't working. I did some background searching on Kara Krisch (ya gotta love the internet - it's all out there) and Kara Krisch used to be Gordon Krisch, class of '82 Sterling College. S/he's transgendered, originally of Clarksburg Maryland and later lived in Portland Oregon before turning up in St. Paul. S/he also has other issues which aren't germane to this forum. She posts fairly often on rec.folk.music.

[This message has been edited by Auburn Annie (edited January 29, 2005).]

John,

Was Kara in attendance at the Hamilton shows?

Bill http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

I have now joined the group. Hopefully I can participate soon. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

Jeff

quote:Originally posted by BILLW:
John,

Was Kara in attendance at the Hamilton shows?

Bill http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

BW,
i did notice a 'woman' checking you at at the bar http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

quote:Originally posted by BILLW:
John,

Was Kara in attendance at the Hamilton shows?

Bill http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

BW,
i did notice a 'woman' checking you at at the bar http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

quote:Originally posted by Auburn Annie:
Not menopausal, no, unless the hormones aren't working. I did some background searching on Kara Krisch (ya gotta love the internet - it's all out there) and Kara Krisch used to be Gordon Krisch, class of '82 Sterling College. S/he's transgendered, originally of Clarksburg Maryland and later lived in Portland Oregon before turning up in St. Paul. S/he also has other issues which aren't germane to this forum. She posts fairly often on rec.folk.music.

[This message has been edited by Auburn Annie (edited January 29, 2005).]

You should be a Private Investigator. Forget all those other jobs, open your own shop!

quote:Originally posted by Auburn Annie:
Not menopausal, no, unless the hormones aren't working. I did some background searching on Kara Krisch (ya gotta love the internet - it's all out there) and Kara Krisch used to be Gordon Krisch, class of '82 Sterling College. S/he's transgendered, originally of Clarksburg Maryland and later lived in Portland Oregon before turning up in St. Paul. S/he also has other issues which aren't germane to this forum. She posts fairly often on rec.folk.music.

[This message has been edited by Auburn Annie (edited January 29, 2005).]

You should be a Private Investigator. Forget all those other jobs, open your own shop!

quote:Originally posted by Auburn Annie:
Not menopausal, no, unless the hormones aren't working. I did some background searching on Kara Krisch (ya gotta love the internet - it's all out there) and Kara Krisch used to be Gordon Krisch, class of '82 Sterling College. S/he's transgendered, originally of Clarksburg Maryland and later lived in Portland Oregon before turning up in St. Paul. S/he also has other issues which aren't germane to this forum. She posts fairly often on rec.folk.music.

[This message has been edited by Auburn Annie (edited January 29, 2005).]
great sluthing Annie
but I searched rec.music.fok for "Kara" and found nothing from our thing
can you post a link as I am most curious to see what she/it may have posted there



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My Gordon Lightfoot webring
starts at
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot

quote:Originally posted by Auburn Annie:
Not menopausal, no, unless the hormones aren't working. I did some background searching on Kara Krisch (ya gotta love the internet - it's all out there) and Kara Krisch used to be Gordon Krisch, class of '82 Sterling College. S/he's transgendered, originally of Clarksburg Maryland and later lived in Portland Oregon before turning up in St. Paul. S/he also has other issues which aren't germane to this forum. She posts fairly often on rec.folk.music.

[This message has been edited by Auburn Annie (edited January 29, 2005).]
great sluthing Annie
but I searched rec.music.fok for "Kara" and found nothing from our thing
can you post a link as I am most curious to see what she/it may have posted there



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My Gordon Lightfoot webring
starts at
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot

It's under "Gordon A. Kirsch" (gkir...@primenet.com). Trying Googling "Gordon A. Kirsch" and see what comes up (in groups, not web)

It's under "Gordon A. Kirsch" (gkir...@primenet.com). Trying Googling "Gordon A. Kirsch" and see what comes up (in groups, not web)

quote:Originally posted by jeffyjo:
I have now joined the group. Hopefully I can participate soon. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

Jeff
well done Jeff
There are for those who do not yet know a number of GL related Yahoo Groups
most can be found by simply entering "gordon Lightfoot" in the search box under "Join A Group"at:- http://groups.yahoo.com/
But a listing includes:-
Valerie's Mailing list/Discusion Group at:- http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/GordonLightfoot/
david Sims Fan club at:- http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group...htfootfanclub/
the (caffe Lena) GL Tribute Band group at:- http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group...htfootTribute/
all three above have open membership
There are also two inactive groups started by a one time poster here Leslie a.k.a. LAMS
Both of which require membership approval
her old one "crossroads" at:- http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group...rdonLightfoot/
which has 30 members
lasst mesage March 2003 by Janice
no photos in the "photo" section
but strangely several in various folders in the "files" section including this stunning shot of Gordon in Florida being given a weather report by Silverheels (warm and moist in the UK!)
http://hostmyfile.net/files/19887.jpg
and the more recent and equally futile "biscuit city"
which now boasts a staggering 4 members
only one of which (not me and I am not staggering either!!) has ever posted a message no photos no files nothing there at:- http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/BiscuitCity/
Note that in order to join any of the above one must (painlessly) create a Yahoo identity
then reenter the ID and password every time you want to visit Yahoo groups which is a pain in the you know where
Note that you can select from only reading messages by visiting the gfroup to receiving each message by email or (recommended) receiving a consolidated daily digest
HTH Hope That Helps
Sorry Bru to raise that subject yet again!!
John Fowles
Why do they call it "head over hreels" in love if our head is always over our heels??

Edited to change picture link from a non functioning "notlong" address that linked to the Yahoo page to a limited life "hostmyfile "upload link
(Yahoo obviously does not allow hot-linking and the limited life of the hosting site should mean it will cease working soon to save Bruna further embarrassment

John Fowles




[This message has been edited by johnfowles (edited January 29, 2005).]

quote:Originally posted by jeffyjo:
I have now joined the group. Hopefully I can participate soon. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

Jeff
well done Jeff
There are for those who do not yet know a number of GL related Yahoo Groups
most can be found by simply entering "gordon Lightfoot" in the search box under "Join A Group"at:- http://groups.yahoo.com/
But a listing includes:-
Valerie's Mailing list/Discusion Group at:- http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/GordonLightfoot/
david Sims Fan club at:- http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group...htfootfanclub/
the (caffe Lena) GL Tribute Band group at:- http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group...htfootTribute/
all three above have open membership
There are also two inactive groups started by a one time poster here Leslie a.k.a. LAMS
Both of which require membership approval
her old one "crossroads" at:- http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group...rdonLightfoot/
which has 30 members
lasst mesage March 2003 by Janice
no photos in the "photo" section
but strangely several in various folders in the "files" section including this stunning shot of Gordon in Florida being given a weather report by Silverheels (warm and moist in the UK!)
http://hostmyfile.net/files/19887.jpg
and the more recent and equally futile "biscuit city"
which now boasts a staggering 4 members
only one of which (not me and I am not staggering either!!) has ever posted a message no photos no files nothing there at:- http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/BiscuitCity/
Note that in order to join any of the above one must (painlessly) create a Yahoo identity
then reenter the ID and password every time you want to visit Yahoo groups which is a pain in the you know where
Note that you can select from only reading messages by visiting the gfroup to receiving each message by email or (recommended) receiving a consolidated daily digest
HTH Hope That Helps
Sorry Bru to raise that subject yet again!!
John Fowles
Why do they call it "head over hreels" in love if our head is always over our heels??

Edited to change picture link from a non functioning "notlong" address that linked to the Yahoo page to a limited life "hostmyfile "upload link
(Yahoo obviously does not allow hot-linking and the limited life of the hosting site should mean it will cease working soon to save Bruna further embarrassment

John Fowles




[This message has been edited by johnfowles (edited January 29, 2005).]

quote:Originally posted by Auburn Annie:
It's under "Gordon A. Kirsch" (gkir...@primenet.com). Trying Googling "Gordon A. Kirsch" and see what comes up (in groups, not web)

OK wonderful detective work Annie
but how did you know to look for Gordon a Kirsch. i.e. where did you find the gordon name to start with??
I found many items on our "man" in that group including an excellent GL thread on the fitz starting at:- http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...fd9b56669b8966
but you must have checked every posting the group's search unearthed to discover the facts about Maryland etc??
Meanwhile I have had a linited reply from Kara thanking me for some of the info I sent and repeating that Maheen had used fowl language and apologising to me but the reply was far short of what I expected to receive since it studiously avoided commemnt on my rebuffs now and last September to her charges of re-using subject titles. So I now have to compose yet another email and will keep on until she profusely apologises for upsetting both me and Maheen
John Fowles
If it's zero degrees outside today and it's going to be twice as cold tomorrow,how cold is it going to be

quote:Originally posted by Auburn Annie:
It's under "Gordon A. Kirsch" (gkir...@primenet.com). Trying Googling "Gordon A. Kirsch" and see what comes up (in groups, not web)

OK wonderful detective work Annie
but how did you know to look for Gordon a Kirsch. i.e. where did you find the gordon name to start with??
I found many items on our "man" in that group including an excellent GL thread on the fitz starting at:- http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...fd9b56669b8966
but you must have checked every posting the group's search unearthed to discover the facts about Maryland etc??
Meanwhile I have had a linited reply from Kara thanking me for some of the info I sent and repeating that Maheen had used fowl language and apologising to me but the reply was far short of what I expected to receive since it studiously avoided commemnt on my rebuffs now and last September to her charges of re-using subject titles. So I now have to compose yet another email and will keep on until she profusely apologises for upsetting both me and Maheen
John Fowles
If it's zero degrees outside today and it's going to be twice as cold tomorrow,how cold is it going to be

You folks really have a thing for finding people over the internet. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

You folks really have a thing for finding people over the internet. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

quote:Originally posted by Highwayman:
You folks really have a thing for finding people over the internet. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

And we're fairly good at finding them "in person" too, for that matter, LOL.

Bill http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

quote:Originally posted by johnfowles:
OK wonderful detective work Annie
but how did you know to look for Gordon a Kirsch. i.e. where did you find the gordon name to start with??
I found many items on our "man" in that group including an excellent GL thread on the fitz starting at:- http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...fd9b56669b8966
but you must have checked every posting the group's search unearthed to discover the facts about Maryland etc??
Meanwhile I have had a linited reply from Kara thanking me for some of the info I sent and repeating that Maheen had used fowl language and apologising to me but the reply was far short of what I expected to receive since it studiously avoided commemnt on my rebuffs now and last September to her charges of re-using subject titles. So I now have to compose yet another email and will keep on until she profusely apologises for upsetting both me and Maheen
John Fowles
If it's zero degrees outside today and it's going to be twice as cold tomorrow,how cold is it going to be



I found "Gordon" in a posting by Kara on her alumni bulletin board announcing the change. Then googled under the "Gordon Kirsch" and "Gordon A. Kirsch" postings that came up.

quote:Originally posted by johnfowles:
OK wonderful detective work Annie
but how did you know to look for Gordon a Kirsch. i.e. where did you find the gordon name to start with??
I found many items on our "man" in that group including an excellent GL thread on the fitz starting at:- http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...fd9b56669b8966
but you must have checked every posting the group's search unearthed to discover the facts about Maryland etc??
Meanwhile I have had a linited reply from Kara thanking me for some of the info I sent and repeating that Maheen had used fowl language and apologising to me but the reply was far short of what I expected to receive since it studiously avoided commemnt on my rebuffs now and last September to her charges of re-using subject titles. So I now have to compose yet another email and will keep on until she profusely apologises for upsetting both me and Maheen
John Fowles
If it's zero degrees outside today and it's going to be twice as cold tomorrow,how cold is it going to be



I found "Gordon" in a posting by Kara on her alumni bulletin board announcing the change. Then googled under the "Gordon Kirsch" and "Gordon A. Kirsch" postings that came up.

Hey John,
Maheen is lucky that he can't see this beauty " Queen "

I was able to see her photo on yahoo, and may I say, EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW


quote:Originally posted by johnfowles:
OK Maheen and I know who this mysterious person is.
She has upset me mightily twice buy sending me insane allegations that I have filched the subject heading from her Yahoo group messages when replying to somebobdy else-plainly absurd. yesterday Maheen got a similar attack which upset him.
I have twice spent much time trying to answer this person's stupid Lightfoot questions yet she has never had the common decency of thanking me me but yesterday on the gordonlightfoot Yahoo group she had the gall to ask who I was. I happened to comment to Maheen in an MSN Messenger chat seesion at the time she was firing off her vitriolic ramblings and casually said she was an ungrateful bitch (patently true) and Maheen liked the sound of that and included it in his next Yahoo posting, wherupon he was accused of using fowl language
note fowl not fowles
I have now sent her a lengthy screed apprising her the facts of internet topics/threads and inviting her to apologise profusely to Maheen and myself on both the
Yahoo group and here but so far no word from her I will give her a few more hours then proceed to publicly pillory her by posting the contents of my email here and on the two Yahhoo groups that she has sullied with her rubbish.
So who is this woman* (see below)?
According to her Yahoo profile
Real Name: Kara
Location: St.Paul MN (I know that not all Minnesotans are stoopid and rude)
Age: 41 uh oh Menopause at work no doubt!!
Marital Status: Single (no surprise there!!)
Gender: Female* but see below
Occupation: un-employed
*and get this amongst her listed hobbies
"I continue with my M-F gender change transition!" thus the word I used above should be(wo)menopause
there is most surprisingly a photograph of this strange creature
http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/users/41ca4...__sr_/23b8.jpg f1Tu.BBcR9rn6TQ]">
sorry I cannot get "her" yahoo pic to display here nor will notlong.com accept the actual
Yahoo address so you will have to see it in situ on its profile page at:- http://profiles.yahoo.com/kmsc22001
Unfortunately of course Maheen is unable to feast his eyes on this delectable image
John Fowles
Can fat people go skinny-dipping??

[This message has been edited by johnfowles (edited January 28, 2005).]

Hey John,
Maheen is lucky that he can't see this beauty " Queen "

I was able to see her photo on yahoo, and may I say, EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW


quote:Originally posted by johnfowles:
OK Maheen and I know who this mysterious person is.
She has upset me mightily twice buy sending me insane allegations that I have filched the subject heading from her Yahoo group messages when replying to somebobdy else-plainly absurd. yesterday Maheen got a similar attack which upset him.
I have twice spent much time trying to answer this person's stupid Lightfoot questions yet she has never had the common decency of thanking me me but yesterday on the gordonlightfoot Yahoo group she had the gall to ask who I was. I happened to comment to Maheen in an MSN Messenger chat seesion at the time she was firing off her vitriolic ramblings and casually said she was an ungrateful bitch (patently true) and Maheen liked the sound of that and included it in his next Yahoo posting, wherupon he was accused of using fowl language
note fowl not fowles
I have now sent her a lengthy screed apprising her the facts of internet topics/threads and inviting her to apologise profusely to Maheen and myself on both the
Yahoo group and here but so far no word from her I will give her a few more hours then proceed to publicly pillory her by posting the contents of my email here and on the two Yahhoo groups that she has sullied with her rubbish.
So who is this woman* (see below)?
According to her Yahoo profile
Real Name: Kara
Location: St.Paul MN (I know that not all Minnesotans are stoopid and rude)
Age: 41 uh oh Menopause at work no doubt!!
Marital Status: Single (no surprise there!!)
Gender: Female* but see below
Occupation: un-employed
*and get this amongst her listed hobbies
"I continue with my M-F gender change transition!" thus the word I used above should be(wo)menopause
there is most surprisingly a photograph of this strange creature
http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/users/41ca4...__sr_/23b8.jpg f1Tu.BBcR9rn6TQ]">
sorry I cannot get "her" yahoo pic to display here nor will notlong.com accept the actual
Yahoo address so you will have to see it in situ on its profile page at:- http://profiles.yahoo.com/kmsc22001
Unfortunately of course Maheen is unable to feast his eyes on this delectable image
John Fowles
Can fat people go skinny-dipping??

[This message has been edited by johnfowles (edited January 28, 2005).]

HEY! Watch it pal.

quote:Originally posted by johnfowles:

Age: 41 uh oh Menopause at work no doubt!!
[This message has been edited by johnfowles (edited January 28, 2005).]

HEY! Watch it pal.

quote:Originally posted by johnfowles:

Age: 41 uh oh Menopause at work no doubt!!
[This message has been edited by johnfowles (edited January 28, 2005).]

No offense John, but why are men so misinformed about the "midlife change". It happens in the 50s not the 40s!!! My otherwise intelligent boyfriend made the same mistake, and his father is a doctor...

And further to Bonnie's comment, there is also a medical phenomenon known as "male menopause". Which explains a lot.

quote:Originally posted by bjb:
No offense John, but why are men so misinformed about the "midlife change". It happens in the 50s not the 40s!!! My otherwise intelligent boyfriend made the same mistake, and his father is a doctor...

I think this is a matter of semantics. Menopause refers to the cessation of periods, which usually - but not always - occurs around the early 50s. But what most people refer to when commenting on menopause as John did is the perimenopause. Early signals of menopause can begin in your late 30s; my hot flashes began in my mid-forties (I'm now 53 and now past most of it, hurrah!). And 'surgical' menopause - due to hysterectomy with removal of the ovaries - can occur at any age given the right indications for removal (cancer, for example.) Menopause is a process, sort of adolescence in reverse, hormonally speaking. Bone loss begins in the mid 30s - peak bone building time is in your teens, which is why I'm forever giving my 15 year old milk. Mood swings may or may not be present, often due to disrupted sleep from the aforementioned hot flashes and various aches and pains. Skin begins to lose elasticity (more sagging and dryness), weight is harder to lose and easier to gain, etc. But as with adolescence, menopause is different for every woman, though your experience may reflect that of your mother's.
In any event, getting to the other side of it is a relief.

quote:Originally posted by bjb:
No offense John, but why are men so misinformed about the "midlife change". It happens in the 50s not the 40s!!! My otherwise intelligent boyfriend made the same mistake, and his father is a doctor...

I think this is a matter of semantics. Menopause refers to the cessation of periods, which usually - but not always - occurs around the early 50s. But what most people refer to when commenting on menopause as John did is the perimenopause. Early signals of menopause can begin in your late 30s; my hot flashes began in my mid-forties (I'm now 53 and now past most of it, hurrah!). And 'surgical' menopause - due to hysterectomy with removal of the ovaries - can occur at any age given the right indications for removal (cancer, for example.) Menopause is a process, sort of adolescence in reverse, hormonally speaking. Bone loss begins in the mid 30s - peak bone building time is in your teens, which is why I'm forever giving my 15 year old milk. Mood swings may or may not be present, often due to disrupted sleep from the aforementioned hot flashes and various aches and pains. Skin begins to lose elasticity (more sagging and dryness), weight is harder to lose and easier to gain, etc. But as with adolescence, menopause is different for every woman, though your experience may reflect that of your mother's.
In any event, getting to the other side of it is a relief.

quote:Originally posted by LSH:
And further to Bonnie's comment, there is also a medical phenomenon known as "male menopause". Which explains a lot.

Luckily most studies report this generally affects men in their 80s or early 90s who have had prolonged exposure to

Bill http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

"prolonged exposure to ______" - to WHAT, bw?

women, UV rays, CNN? WHAT??? the suspense is killing me!

"prolonged exposure to ______" - to WHAT, bw?

women, UV rays, CNN? WHAT??? the suspense is killing me!

Yeah, like my former boyfriend. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/tongue.gif

quote:Originally posted by LSH:
And further to Bonnie's comment, there is also a medical phenomenon known as "male menopause". Which explains a lot.