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Tim, Tim, Tim !
Welcome back and thanks for a great tune. Nice job man. You made my evening and gave me my second wind. To celebrate I'm gonna go jump in the pool. Nice, very nice ! Thanks again, Bill :) |
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Thanks you two! Glad you liked it. enjoy your swim Bill!
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hi Tim, am relieved you've copyrighted this heart wrenching gem - imo, any full time songwriter and/or pro recording artist might find it hard to resist unintentionally or intentionally plagiarizing this works in whole or in part - don't know what you do for day job but it's time to quit!
what a wonderful tribute to the old man and this finely-named gal jim (my eyebrows still raised high following 3 intense listenings) ...way to go with the tight framing, all done my video whining:) |
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jj, you are too kind. I did worry a bit about posting this even with the copyright notice---actually my wife is more worried about it than I am, but I felt like I had to post it because it was inspired by a real woman's dying father and she wanted to hear it.
But thanks for your kind words. I've since written two more songs and I'm wondering if I should post them too. I haven't decided yet. And for the moment, I'm keeping my day job for as long as they'll have me anyway.... thanks again, Tim |
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Yippee! Tim's back!
Seriously, I have been thinking of you and wondering if you were going to come back. So glad you have:) This song is beautiful, Tim. The lyrics are so touching and the guitar work is exceptional. You are very gifted and I am so happy you posted this for us to hear. I understand your concern about copyrights and all that, but I hope you post more for us. I know, we women around here are never satisfied....lol :) Good stuff! Thanks! Anne |
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Excellent !! I'm glad you stepped up to the plate and knocked one out of the park. You have such a wonderful vocal range. That really opens up the possibilities for gorgeous melodies such as this.
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Hi Pam, wow thanks for the primer on copyright! That's a lot of useful information. I really appreciate you taking time to write all of this. There is much in what you've written that I've never given much thought too especially regarding how registering copyright but never publicizing my music could conceivably deter efforts to protect my music. That had never occurred to me. The is very valuable and I thank you for your effort -- really!
I'm glad you like the song Anne and Ron. So far I've been getting uniformly positive feedback. It's very gratifying and encouraging. I'm very self-critical so to put in the effort to write a song means I have to believe that the effort is going to be worth it. You're all doing a lot to help me believe that it is. Even so, I don't mind a critique with some real points of criticism in it. Ron - great assignment! I'll try to keep that in mind. Thanks! -Tim |
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Tim, WOW man, THAT is the Right Stuff........I've not had dialogue with you so please excuse my lack of knowledge of your work, ( i think I saw you in youtube Lightfoot covers ...yes?) but do you have covers of Lightfoots I could listen to, and more importantly, more of your work to listen to ? That is a powerful song..... the line (if I heard it right..) of telling Laurriannie [sic] that the memory lives on [of her lost loved one] - did I get that right ? Well as I heard it, recently losing a loved one, really sank in...which seems one of the hallmarks of a good song to me, as a layman to song writing - that it reallty sinks in and grabs you by the yngs on something..... sure did....
Rock on man, keep 'em coming and recording..... yes if you have not been in the studio.... your home office their looks like mine down to the black filing cabinet...... you should indeed cut a CD - have you spoken wth Cathy Cowette of this ? Watching/listening to her success in personal, incremental apsirations with a first CD was very gratifying to know watch/see them via corfid and email, then watch them ascend to excellence..... you've got the stuff, man. ~geo Steve PODUNK - on your well-thought on read of copyright law, I am only curious, I vaguely recall the subject of eminant domain and the public's ownership of a song after x number of years - does that number vary state-to-state as it does in the Boundary law end of *LAND* Surveying - as in someone can petition the courts for an adverse posession of a portion of a contiguous tract to theirs that they fenced in of the adjoining owner, encroaching, thow a few head of cattle on, build a shed, and then they must have satisfied about 7 rigourous criteria (and olddddd colonial times criteria at that - open and notorious, hostile, proof of improvement....continuous and uninterupted, etc etc) ? But in music - does a song, say "America The Beautiful" become public domain in a state-by-state fashion as does the right to -attempt- adverse posession, with the music laws criteria, after the same x number of years in that state ? Or is it, as I suspect, being a federal registration, fall within the jurisprudence purvue of federal courts and law, and venue ? eg in 21 years Colorado, can someone simply start recording Tim's song capricuously along with ne'ery a worry of recourse ? - steve |
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Hi Steve, I think the line you're remembering is "but the memories that still reside within his heart and mind, will remain within the many loves the old man leaves behind." Is that the one you meant?
Thanks for your kind remarks about the song. I don't know if you've looked through this thread. If you do you'll find some other videos I've made mostly of Lightfoot covers. To see everything I've posted you can go to YouTube and look up my channel. My YouTube screen name is "GordIsKing." "Laurianni" is at the moment the only original song that I've posted. I have one more I'm thinking of posting soon. I expect to continue posting as I have time to do so, and if you subscribe to my channel then you'll get a notice whenever I've posted something new (if you log into your own channel.) I have exchanged a few words with Cathy here, but not about making cd's. I'm not there yet. I don't have enough original material that I like well enough to record. I would very much like to make a cd some day though, and since I've started posting videos and getting the kind of positive feedback, like the kind you and others have given above, I'm starting to feel like I ought to work harder toward that goal. Thanks again for your kind words Steve, and I'm very sorry for your loss. Best wishes - Tim |
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Yes thanks for correcting my twist from Boundary Law coursework - Eminant Domain - as I mis-stated at the top of my p.s. to you, as I am sure you know better than I, is when the U.S. Goverment can, when deemed in the public best interest ( with the ideology that "highest and best use" - [for the most people] land use/planning agencies espouse) make forced use of, shall we say - politely , and recompensed, -taking- , and paying for with "fair maket value" of a person's private land or chattels thereon, et al - for purposes that benefit needs of the masses - eg the Federal Interstate Highways act - I-25 in Denver when it plowed through Denver, ripping out hundreds of homes, businesses, old planimetric features, and replaced it with the 10-lane wonder we have now that is -seemingly- yearly being ripped up and widened and HOV'd and , well, you name it - curent project with enough money assigned it ,it has an acronym - project T-REX, to make way for light-rail (yeayy!) through Denver , long overdue . I understand the philosophy of eminant domain as it applies... versus Public Domain, but correct you are, as I noted lower in the post you refer to - the more applicable term in my question of music - Public Domain, of course.... I agree for sure. Slip'o the tongue/memory/keyboard on the first opener with eminant domain. And, that "eminant domain" was further in the national interest with the Interstate act's primary reason - post WWII and Pearl Harbour - not to mention the lesser known ground invasion on the west coast - Aleutian Islands in Alaska and futher down the PAcific Coast, the Act's intent was primarily to provide a raised (so they cold see enemy troops or equipment) highway subtantial enough, and unintterupted by stop-lights, for the primary purpose of being able, in a national emergancy again, on the mainland, to mobilize the heavy defense machine thousands of miles as necessary without stopping except to commandeer gas, etc.... ...that we may never again be caught defenseless in a given area without the ability to mobilize heavy troups and equip by instertate to the area of..entaglement.... one of Dwight Eisenhower's later great dreams realized - along with the (here I go) U.S National Mapping Program - mapping the whole country at 7.5 minute quadrangle intervals - sometimes 15 minute.....also for primarily military purposes - on what we call colloquially "quads" - or "topos" in the U.S. are typically these Federal Maps sold at cost recovery. And to keep map talk short, one more ort from the program - the quads...contour maps AND lesser known planimetric maps of the country ( still being done first run maps in ALaska) employ a principle that, in Char's hyperlinks to Shelton's works, turned up a mis-statement by the academician that wrote on one of the papers she found - speaking of the ability in quadrangle maps to hide certain quantities of features and/or troups - had the number wrong - the USGS Rules and Reg's for The NMP call for "woodland tint" - the green on topos in amorphous patches - is called for when a "troup" of 12 men/woman soldiers could hide in one square mile. Stated otherside - the vegetation/woods are dense enough that on average - very interprative photogrammetric work- a troup could disperse and hide in that square mile. Course, it seves us hikers well, too in navigating by map. I did my internship/extership in Mapping and Geodetic Surveying at U.S.G.S in Lakewood, at the Federal Center - old bldg 25..and the old Forest Service Bldg # 42- that also encompassed the third aspect of my intern and exterships - the BLM aerial photo lab, was in old bldg 42 , too, for Denver'ites familiar with the Federal Center city-within-a-city. In addition to the first mis-statement I had you pointed out of eminant domain, I'd add that the term applies only when Federal entities are involved, or are grabbing up or commandeering land, homes, businesses, supplies, even situations -resulting in martial law commonly. And it is one of the four rights we do not "get" or convey - when we sell or buy property in US, even with fee simple absolute deed and title.... the right of eminant domain, escheat, estoppel, and Police Power. My old Boundary Law Professor would be proud :) . And when one -private- party attempts adverse posession - thought to be easy - but in court, it is not.....is not intrinsically anything to do with eminant OR Public Domain,unless the feds are one of the contiguous parties or "legal persons" . My question to you - I am still curious of - Podunklander - is still, do the states' number of years for their statute of limitations - varying state by state,apply in any way to where a person writes/publishes/establishes their date of original work? I think by virtue of inference from what you kindly wrote - the answer is emphatically - "no" - musicians' copyright factors are all Federal , national purvue and office questions,laws, and answers, not the Jeffersonian principle of states checks and balances of power versus Federal..., so the state laws or point of origin -or- travesty thereof, have no legal bearing - its all federal law and license. I think i get that answered intrinsically from what you wrote. And, consequentially - state's statutes of limitation have no bearing on a strictly federal matter in the case of music then, like Tim's song and work..have I got it ?. OK.... Thanks ! ~geo steve |
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DawnMinstrel - yes, thats the line...that grabbed by the yangs.... thanks....WHAT A WONDERFUL SONG.
And... thank you, for the condolances...very much.. I hear lines in verse now more than ever of loved ones, or love....lost. Gordon seems a master of this. And you seem well on your way.... to songwriting master that is of such. I am sure you will get enough material to do a CD. If I understand correctly - Gord would deliberately take "sabatticals" for wrinting purposes - to England, canoeing, renting a farm house, etc. Do you have the surroundings that you could, as is germane to your choses subject matter, take a day.. in the woods.... in the snow.... in the city.... in Human Services centers - where "Home from the Forests" can be seen daily..... ? Just a thought - from one who knows NOTHING about writing songs.... ~geo steve |
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Steve, so far my songwriting gets done mostly in my living room. I love the idea of a canoe trip though. Wow, been a long time since I've done something like that. But more to the point, you're right. Gord is very disciplined about his writing and makes a point of going off by himself and enforcing some solitude expressly for the purpose of getting some writing done. This is something I have not tried, but it's worth considering.
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Yes - thank you Podunk - I meant no offense with my abbreviation of your name - lol the other uses of your abbreviation -am i making you famous ?lol - your legal treatise did indeed help me understand what i did mix accidently at first - but had a real question on - and you answered it- thanks !
you thought i might be having a "senior" moment er something.... OMG i am only 50.... whaaaaaaah i AM getting OLD Oh nOOOOOOOOOO lol I'll not deviate my septum again here, as you are right on, from the thread topic... laugh.... ~geo steve |
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Tim, had a few songwriters over this past week... at one point I showcased your tune
well, they suggested that you change your youtube account ID to ' TimisKing ' :) hey, I'd rather you invest time in your original works but if you come into a dry spell, dont forget to fall back into whittling away at the Gypsy besides, noodling away any cover may segue right into an 'influenced' yet original composition good luck with the happy song, tough stuff ps) was just playing one for my kid (he walked out not even halfway through, oh well...) 'clap your hands clap your hands and sing a happy song, clap your hands clap your hands and try to sing along...' but I cannot find it online, anyone know of a kid song catalogue? |
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Hi jj. Thanks for showing your song-writing friends my song and for passing along their good impressions. It has literally taken me about 3 decades to be brave enough to actually let other people hear songs that i write. Don't know why it's so hard for me, but it's getting easier.
it so happens I was in the middle of writing some song lyrics when I stopped to check in here. (Sorry to say they aren't happy!) But I really do want to get around to doing the Gypsy. I like that song a lot and I've been neglecting my GL covers. I wish I had more time to work on this stuff. But I sure appreciate everyone's encouragement here. It all keeps me thinking about song-writing. I'm planning on posting another original soon. sorry I can't help you with the children's songs. tim |
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jj . - I have one idea that'll almost surely have 'em - the kids songs anyway. Its a few minutes of phone work - And my wife use to handle all this stuff; she'd volunteer in the elementary where my daughter was in class "OMG my MOM is the room, how EMBARRASING" lol - that did not happen until around 5th - 'preen age, and its self-consioucness.
Well, my wife would find childrens song books when Mamie was in kindergarden and 1st grade I recall, and Mamie was happy to have her comforting mother there - and the intrinsically "2nd mom" nature of a GOOD elementary school teacher, notably in grades K - 2 or 3. Anyway - Merry was given reference as to where she got them, turns out for us they were available in the lending library, but could be bought in big-box book stores too like Border's, Barnes & Noble, and no doubt of course Amazon.com and whats the other on-line book source ? can't remember. But to find out where to buy locally in person, my wife found that principal of the school she teacher-aided in , and the librarian(s) in the K-6 schools as well, would be able to cite their purchasing course, if not a big bookstore, and borrwing from the library is insufficient... The 2 ladies I mention in school above where Mamie went knew the sources - I'd just call an Elementary school in your area, in a good area.... only because they tend to have better resources, sadly, and b morelikely to know. Ours did. Good luck. Didn't mean to "butt-in" in this exchange with what I hope are not painfully obvious no-sh** ideas, but maybe, without K-6 experience in the school, as my wife had, these things would not otherwise occur to you or me. "Have a Gord day..., and Gord day to you" lol I gotta program that ~geo steve |
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Hey friends,
since Jesse Joe isn't around right now I'll toot my own horn. Here's my latest. I hope you enjoy it. -Tim |
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That sounded real nice. Also, I just heard Laurianni for the first time. That sounded especially nice. I want to get the cd.
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Uh oh, now I have to record a cd.... Thanks Patti. I've got another original on the way.
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That's really nice, Tim!
Such a beautiful song and you have captured the mood of it perfetly. :) Very lovely version, my friend. The Gypsy...very cool! I will love to hear that one and any original songs you have. You are doing a great job with all of them. Thanks for "tooting your own horn" We enjoy you around here! |
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terrific, pam ...but to update it, you need to add a line about flossing flossing is either a pretty new thing or I grew up totally ignorant to this requirement I grew up thinking floss was something you just ate lots of at the carnival:) anyhow, considering my lack of flossing, my teeth haven't turned out half bad..ok, maybe just 1/4, lol btw, jr turned 4 recently...he likes lullabies and sad tunes (jim reeves is a fave) steve, awesome post also...very helpful guys...I'm just trying to learned 'A Your Adorable...' somehow I grew up never hearing that tune before and tim, what else can i say....beeeeeeautiful! ps) jerre heskew's (Cumberland Trio) 'Lion Named Sam' is a fun tune to play & sing |
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Thanks Anne and jj. Glad you liked the cover. Sometimes I think I've got a lot of nerve trying to cover Lightfoot tunes, but it's not because I think I can do them justice so much as I just love the songs so much. Anyway, The Gypsy is coming along nicely and I'll probably be recording it pretty soon, but I have another original I might post first. I'm sorry I can't contribute to the discussion on children's tunes. I have no kids. Actually, come to think of it, I just thought of an old song my mom used to sing to me when I was a little boy. The words are:
I love to watch the streetcars go up and down each track the people at the windows smile at me as they go passed so many many people get off and on each car I wonder where they're going I wonder who they are It's a bit out of date though. No streetcars so far as I know anymore. take care all, -Tim |
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I am so bummed - my flat LCD plasma monitor is out, (with speakers), amd I hoooked up my old honker 17' CRT tube monstrosity, and can't here a thing.... no little speakers.... I can't hear your version of "Beautiful" ! That was my wife and my "song".... dang it... and I CAN'T LISTEN TO YOUTUBE , either now..... I think it is why I am so cranky lately. But keep 'em coming... I remember my guitar teacher ( who I stared at more-than practiced for, she was 18, I was 17... an older woman...lol) and she taught me beautiful, and had this generalized remark to say about Lightfoot music on the guitar . Do you agree ? - She said his music, Beautiful being a prime example, is frought with "minor 7's" - and in Beautiful -"D minor 7's" true - or was I to entranced by her long black hair....lol ~geo steve |
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Thanks Patti!
Steve - Very sorry about your LCD monitor. That's a bummer. I hope you can get it replaced soon. If it's any comfort I have no plans to take my videos down anytime soon. About the minor 7th's; yes there are a lot of minor 7th's in at least some of Lightfoot's tunes. It really depends on the kind of song. But minor 7th chords are pretty standard. They're all over the place in jazz for example. James Taylor uses them a lot too. Maybe not so common in blues and rock though. Strictly speaking, the minor 7th chords in "Beautiful" are B minor 7th and E minor 7th. This is because of the capo at the second fret. If you play it from the nut of the guitar rather than capoed at fret 2 then the chords are A minor 7th and D minor 7th. (I'm picky about this, you have to go by the pitch). But I'm pretty sure Gord plays it capoed. I'll have to check that. I like your story about your guitar teacher. I don't know how you could concentrate on the lesson enough to remember anything aside from the long black hair! That sounds pretty entrancing to me. |
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Hi DawnsMinstrel,
Great job on "Beautiful" as always ! :clap: And I just listened to "Laurianni"... My good man you have 'SUPER TALENT' ! :eek: What a beautiful song, words & music !!! :headbang: :clap: :clap: :clap: Do keep it up... It sounds like a song that the great little songwriter 'Paul Simon' would write. He must be one of your influences ? :) |
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:redface: Thanks Jesse Joe! Glad you liked the original. Yes, I guess it's probably fair to say that Paul Simon is an influence. In fact, I'm currently working on another original that's probably even more influenced by him than this one is, though I don't consciously try to channel him (or anyone else) when I'm writing. I'm really just trying to use language that appeals to me. Then again, Paul Simon probably has something to do with what language I find appealing. Anyway, thanks for posting!
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Hi there everyone,
I accidently put this on the Kefera thread earlier, but here in it's proper place is my newest video. It's another original. I hope you all like it and thanks for listening. |
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Very Beautiful Song ! :clap:
Great guitar playing ... :clap: :clap: Is this cutaway, another Martin ?? You definetly have some great talent in writing, and as I said before in some earlier post your playing is very very good ! You should have a CD made of your songs, so more people could hear them. :) |
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Another excellent effort. Pretty tune.
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Thanks to both of you.
Jesse Joe: yes it's another "Martin," but I put that in quotes because it's one of their budget models. It's called a "DCX1E" and is made mostly of formica. Considering how cheap it is, it sounds pretty good, but it doesn't compare to the real thing. But I wanted a cutaway and it's the best I could do budget-wise. Someday I'll buy something better to replace it with. I've been using it lately because the D-35 has some serious problems that make it difficult to work with for recording and once again - no money to have it fixed. :( About the cd. I've been wanting to make one for a long time now. The reason I haven't is because I have so few songs to put on it that are my own. I've been simultaneously both very picky and very lazy about writing. The reason I decided to start posting originals is in the hope that the feedback I get might spur me on to write more (or alternatively convince me that I should stop!) If I can get 10 or so songs that I think are recordable then I'll start looking into making a cd. Your kind words help a lot in convincing me to keep trying. RM - My own experience is that the song turns out better when I write the music first then look for words to match. This particular song's melody was something I came up with years ago, believe it or not, and I just waited until I was satisfied with the words that I finally found for it. I have other wordless melodies like it that are still waiting for their lyrics. The words and music for Laurianni arose simultaneously except for the bridge. In the case of the bridge the words came first, then I had to find something for it that matched the mood of the verses without imitating them too closely. But by then I had something to go on. I still see myself as a song writing novice because I have so few finished songs that I feel are worth sharing. I'm waiting for a few more before I'm willing to start calling myself a "song writer." But I think my chances of becoming a decent one have improved since I started posting songs and getting the encouraging feedback that you two and others have sent. Thanks for that! Tim |
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Very nice song! Thanks for sharing! This song really highlights your vocals. I liked the lyrics and the melody - and nice picking there! The song flows so well!
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Thanks Pam! :)
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Tim, that is an amazing song and I really love it! I really don't think you should feel insecure about posting your original songs, they are beautiful, my friend! I know I am not a musician but I AM an experienced listener...lol...I think you have a wonderful talent and I am happy anytime you feel inclined to share it with us. :) Pam, that was my thought exactly....the song flows so well. :) |
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Thanks Anne. I'm definitely going to try to produce and post more original work, but it will have to pass muster. Call me a perfectionist....:rolleyes:
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