[QUOTE]Originally posted by bjb:
[B]Hey Mr/Ms Intended, you do make valid points, that's for sure.

Sometimes it sounds like a person making a critical comment is talking about Mr. Lightfoot as a commodity, like "I won't go back to that store because I didn't get enough value for my money".

Most people here love him exactly as is, and enjoy what he is doing right now as well as what he has done in the past.

Very nicely said Bonnie!

BillHall

Intended, I agree with Bonnie and Watchman on this one. I certainly don't worship Gord or the ground he walks on. I think a little honesty from TimmyB may have gone over better. Yeah, he would've taken some flak, like Watchman said, people are protective. Too bad TimmyB didn't see the second show, he was more relaxed and much stronger. But it's never going to be a loud, hard rock type concert. He's an acoustic artist...I had no trouble hearing, either night.
I, for one, would have appreciated him coming right out saying what he really thought. I'm a huge fan, but I'm not rabid.

[This message has been edited by LSH (edited December 03, 2004).]

I did see him once where I thought the volume could have been a little louder but I'm sure my hearing is not what it should be due to all the loud music I listen to. When I listen to music, it has to be loud. I'm going to see Everclear tonight in San Diego and I'm sure the volume will be just right. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

Gord is all about putting on the best show he is capable of each time I've seen him. Mark Knopfler is the only other one that I know of that is equally as good on stage. Of course NOBODY ever performs flawless all the time but Gord come's as close as possible. Besides, I like live music because I like to hear all the mistakes, changes etc. Nothing beats seeing Gord live and his voice sounds very strong on stage.

>>>That being said, it disappoints me to see how those who frequent this Board treat anyone who falls short of literally worshipping the ground Gord walks on

hmm, i hear ya but you're like TimmyB with that over-generalization, folks here don't mind some stimulating and honest difference of opinion, that's actually how i arrived here, full of constructive critisism of Gord-related decisions but they were stated with my cards on the table, without deceit (honest, as lsh put it)....i take offense to TimmyB saying the I (or we) are "like-minded" because that is not true at all

reading his entire post, he was already fed up with GL after his second concert in late 90's and only went to the show in Hamilton because it was 5 minutes around the corner...he apparently goes to about 50 shows a year, has seen Dylan and Young like 30+ times, etc, etc...whatever

i was wondering if any folks at one of our "sister" boards ie. the Blue Rodeo board (which i consider Canada's Band the same way I consider Gord Canada's Singer/Songwriter) had seen and reviewed the Gord gig and I just happened to stumble on the TimmyB post...i thought it was sad that he thought he couldn't post his feelings to an adoring, fun, often rediculous BUT mature group of folks over here...we'll never know how his HONEST post would have gone over, we'll never know...the comment that Gord should not be "headlining" made me laff out loud actually, it was so ignorant and i'll bet the Health Sciences folks would be happy to give back TimmyB's portion of the net proceeds if he felt ripped off at all during that special evening, he unfortuantely missed the spirit of the whole evening...i was never mad at Timmy, just disappointed and feel kinda bad for him, not like-minded at all with the majority that i've come to know and respect here, no siree...insulting, yes siree

ps) we're older TimmyB, yes and maybe silent cos we like to listen, but ya won't find folks who are younger at heart, and bigger hearted http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

quote:Originally posted by joveski:
actually this guy has been posting that same review at other forums that i visit. i got sucked into welcoming him on both of them

He's what was posted it on a wilco board:
http://www.viachicago.org/forums/ind...showtopic=8036

he also put on a dylan one but i cant find the link.

It was word for word what he posted on the Blue Rodeo site, but I ventured on and read some of the other comments - they seemed to ignore the negative that Timmy wrote and was genuinely glad that Gord was back playing NO matter how long the set. I think that he was a bit surprised that the Chicago fans back Gord also.
Hey Timmy - so there!

Round trip from Baltimore : $350.00
Two nights @ The Hamilton Sheraton: $275.00
Cabfare from Toronto: $69.00

Gordon Lightfoot back on stage: PRICELESS !

I was screaming and jumping up and down, yes I needed help. Lightfoot hit the stage - that was all the help I needed. But no rabies dude, that's harsh eh?

Bill http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

I think I'm the screaming teenybopper he's referring to. I'm 46, I admit it, but, I'm 14 at heart. Got a problem with that? As far as I'm concerned, I'll never "grow old." I get enthusiastic when I talk about something/someone I love/admire. What's so bad about that?? Overlooking minor things in comparison to the good that is there? Priceless!!! Sure, I got upset when I read his review. What -- he was expecting AC/DC on stage? Screaming fans, guitar smashing, whatever?? I've loved Gord and his music since I was 14. Because I went off on a different musical tangent years later and didn't hear any of his music after my late teens, I consider that MY loss. And I'm making up for lost time. I'm EXCITED to listen to Gord's music. I FEEL when he sings. I LIVED a lot of the things he sang about. I REMEMBER my pain, but, I CHERISH the sweeter memories. And this is why I love Gordon Lightfoot. So... Timmy won't bother to see him the next time he rolls around for a concert? Let's just say, as GL is 66 now, I hope he's around and doing concerts when he's 86!!! And, Bru, I'll go with ya and buy a ticket to see him read the Telephone Directory!!!

[This message has been edited by Sheryl Klein (edited December 03, 2004).]

quote:Originally posted by Sheryl Klein:
What -- he was expecting AC/DC on stage?


http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gifYou're right, he probably was. I was upfront 1' from the stage at Everclear tonight and could have been turned up a notch or two. Maybe I need to get my hearing checked...

lol, great post, BW...i'd love to see that commercial http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

crap, i better get out more, i dunno even know who Everclear are? lol, hey, i will say i was disappointed with the mix and volume level at times during the Sunday GL gig and i don't think i will get attacked for that...i'm really showing more disappointment in the sound guys though than in Gord for that, but hey, he's umtimately responsible, so come on GL, get your 'act' together! , lol

yeah, i don't blare my speakers when i put on Gord but i do like a good mix and to have to volume to a level that makes me feel like i'm up on stage amongst the band, hearing whatever they are hearing on their monitors...i'll bet Gord doesn't stand for anything less than GREAT monitor mix and levels...and he'd want the same for his paying (worshipping, rabid, etc, lol) fans...it's odd that the mix and levels were so great for the Goods (imo) but took so long to get right for Gord's act...anyhow, that conceided doesn't make me think any less about the dishonest/mean-spirited nature of TimmyB's and Intended's posts, respectively

people don't need to apoligize or get help for showing to whatever levels of enthusium they choose, gord's music has gotten many thru the dips and dives, eh...no one here appears to be a threat to Gord's personal space, actually the ones who are most enthusiastic are probably the ones who would protect it the most...so let's discuss chord progressions or whatever, Dan if that's all that suits ya...or let's discuss whatever you came here to discuss, TimmyB (but maybe you're still busy copying and pasting your 'review'/anti-GL campaign on other boards), you won't suceed in dampening the spirit here though http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

ps) ok, never post before coffee, lol...i can't even make sense of my own grammar or typos...you know what i was trying to say, eh http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

[This message has been edited by jj (edited December 04, 2004).]

hey, you forgot one thing, BW:

Round trip from Baltimore : $350.00
Two nights @ The Hamilton Sheraton: $275.00
Cabfare from Toronto: $69.00
Don Ho shirt: (I'm estimating, say, $19.00?)
http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

quote:Originally posted by jj:
hey, you forgot one thing, BW:

Round trip from Baltimore : $350.00
Two nights @ The Hamilton Sheraton: $275.00
Cabfare from Toronto: $69.00
Don Ho shirt: (I'm estimating, say, $19.00?)
http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

I prefer to call them my "Gordon Lightfoot shirts", he had a great one on Monday eh? Is that estimate CDN or US ?, LOL

Bill http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

'Gordon Lightfoot shirts' ????? Careful, Billw. You're not starting to 'worship' The Man, are you? http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

BillW has always worshipped Gord ever since I knew him. He tends to go a little overboard sometimes but that's okay. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

hey, and we've got bats swooping in the attic so i was off to get my rabies shots, regardless of my troublesome condition http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

Just one thought on the TimmyB issue. The fact is that he did buy a ticket and go to the concert, so he IS a fan, right? I didn't appreciate most of his comments either, but so much of the tone seems to be "he's not a fan if he says something negative." Personally, I can't think of a negative thing to say about Gord because he means so much to me, and has since I was 13 many years ago, but I can't see paying money and going to a concert if you don't like a person's music. Timmy's got to be a fan, just not of the live concert (which is all he really needed to say.)
I, on the other hand, can hardly wait until Vegas, and yes, the alphabet or phone book would be OK, although I'm hoping for Clouds of Loneliness.

nicely said, JJ. Thanks. (Do you *really* have bats in the attic? Hope you get 'em cleaned out soon, 'cause the "guano" smell is gonna drive you out!! Oh, and when I was the Natural History Museum with my kids last year, they told us about bats: they only live where the air and water are clean, so, hey, you're lucky!... I think!)

quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:
I'm going to see Everclear tonight in San Diego and I'm sure the volume will be just right. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif


Hey Watchman, Welcome to my neighborhood! Hope you're enjoying your stay http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif Unfortunately your visit is during an unusual cold spell. I actually had to unpack my New Hampshire winter clothes for the first time in over three years to find a sweater the other day. Like JJ, I'm not familiar with Everclear - What venue did they play?

As for the Timmy B issue, I agree with a lot of you to varying degrees on different points. First, I feel that it's very clear from his post to the other sites as well as his post here, that he IS a fan. He mentioned song titles that he liked including his favorite from Harmony, so obviously he's buying the CDs. If he wasn't a fan he'd be spending those bucks elsewhere.

As Watchman said, it would have been nice if Timmy had been a little more forthcoming with his thoughts in his post here, but I can also respect The Intended's theory as to why he didn't and to some degree I don't blame him. His post did not contradict his posts to the other sites, it just left some things out. As Watchman also said, this is a Lightfoot fan site and not a place to criticize. If that's so, than Timmy did the right thing not to do so in this forum. These other sites he posted to are not Lightfoot fan sites and therefore he felt more comfortable expressing his negative thoughts on Lightfoot concerts. He obviously chose to respect the fact that some folks here are protective.

He doesn't enjoy Lightfoot concerts, so what! - as long as he continues buying the CDs and respecting the talent and enjoying the music (and he was never once disrespectful of either of those things), what's the harm in that? It just means that there will be more tickets available to Lightfoot's sold out concerts for those with the different expectations that bjb mentions.

There are different levels of fandom and we really should make an attempt to respect them all - from the giddy first timer hearing these wonderful songs with a fresh ear, to the seasoned fan who knows all the song titles and lyrics and what albums they're on and every ounce of trivia available to be known, to the in between fan who may have several albums and enjoy them tremendously, but may not have the same desire as others to go see a concert or know all the details of his personal life. The most important thing is that we all benefit from and appreciate Lightfoot's music, even if the benefits are different for each of us, just as the songs can mean something different to each of us. All levels of fans should be welcomed here and embraced and nurtured.

Who knows what we could accomplish if we did this. When I first found this site, I was more of a casual fan - I knew the name, I had a few albums and I liked the songs I was familiar with. Over the years, my level of fandom has changed due to reading other's thoughts. I may still be closer to the bottom level than the top level, but I have more CDs, I'm familiar with more songs and have found new favorites that I never would have known about, plus I have a much greater understanding and appreciation of his talents and contributions. Who knows, if we as a group had been the least bit open to Timmy's thoughts on his concert experiences, over time we may have been able to turn him around and change his mind - instead he's been "banned from the club."

(edits were to correct credit to the poster of comments mentioned - both times, same poster. Hopefully I got it correct this time http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif)

[This message has been edited by Janice (edited December 04, 2004).]

[This message has been edited by Janice (edited December 04, 2004).]

Hi Janice,

Everclear played at the 4th & B downtown. Everclear peaked from 1997-2000 with songs such as AM Radio, I Will Buy You A New Life, Father Of Mine, Wonderful etc...

It has been cold! It even rained today. I am now in LA and just relaxing from a very busy week. I know at least one night it got down below freezing.

San Diego is a great city and I can certainly see why people love it so much. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:
Hi Janice,

Everclear played at the 4th & B downtown. Everclear peaked from 1997-2000 with songs such as AM Radio, I Will Buy You A New Life, Father Of Mine, Wonderful etc...

It has been cold! It even rained today. I am now in LA and just relaxing from a very busy week. I know at least one night it got down below freezing.

San Diego is a great city and I can certainly see why people love it so much. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

I figured it had to be 4th & B or Dizzy's http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

Yeah I love San Diego. La Mesa is a suburb - as a matter of fact, my apartment is just two blocks from the city line - so I spend a lot of time downtown and in various other areas of town). One of the things that drew me to it was that San Diego is a huge city, yet still has that small town feel to it - If that makes any sense.

It's just too bad the weather couldn't have been it's usual for your visit - sunny, warm days; slightly cooler, but not cold nights and minimal to no rain. Then you really would have thought San Diego was great http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

Janice,

I've been to SD before but it's been a long time. Eventhough the weather was cooler than usual, it was still nothing short of beautiful. I especially like the Gaslamp Quarter. I also spent a couple nights at Bahia Resort on Mission Beach. Very nice as well!

Well, I'm in the outskirts of LA tonight and there is a distinct difference compared to SD. I'm here for work but I have to admit, it's been nothing short of an all expense paid vacation. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

The outskirts of L.A. tonight? Where are you Watchman?? I'm in the Valley! Could've had you over for coffee and GL!

Janice, I appreciate what you said. You made a lot of good points.
Oh, also, you said you live near the city line? So does a girlfriend of mine from jr. high! She lives literally on the street which is the dividing line betgween San Diego (proper) and La Mesa -- so, technically she's in La Mesa. Gosh, you two are probably neighbors!!

quote:Originally posted by Sheryl Klein:
The outskirts of L.A. tonight? Where are you Watchman?? I'm in the Valley! Could've had you over for coffee and GL!



Foothill Ranch which is by Irvine and Lake Forest. Man there's a lot of corfidians in Ca! I can certainly see the draw of living here. I could definitely handle living in southern California. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:
BillW has always worshipped Gord ever since I knew him. He tends to go a little overboard sometimes but that's okay. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

OK, OK I'm busted, sheesh!!!!!!

Bill http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:
BillW has always worshipped Gord ever since I knew him. He tends to go a little overboard sometimes but that's okay. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

Oh no, no, no! We are not 'intended' to worship him, remember? http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

quote:Originally posted by SilverHeels:
Oh no, no, no! We are not 'intended' to worship him, remember? http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Right, Bru. Come on. 'Fess up. We've attended the House Of Gord, and we did our share of worshipping. You aren't fooling anyone.

Cathy http://www.cathycowette.com