You Know You're a (your state) resident if...

[geodeticman.5]

Note: Recent additions to Colorado in GREEN

This thread idea occurred to me when, in another thread, "How are the Dog-Days of Summer up your way ?" I mentioned a reference from a very funny set of Jeff Foxworthy-esque punchlines called you know you are a Colororadoan if:

example:You think that May is a totally normal month for a blizzard.

Following are the whole list of Coloradoan punchlines, or whatever you call them, but the idea is in your post-reply, why not poke fun at your own home state and create a characiture of your state's denizens. The typical setups include: driving habits, weather, speech manerisms, colloquialisms, what other state residents assume to be true about you, etc.

One such line came up in another thread I noticed from ( I believe) MandoAnn who who was experiencing difficulty with her live guitar performance in a loud open-mic night bar, and she broke the ice with a Massachusets drivers' joke where they are referred to as "MassHoles".

The two together caused me to think it might be fun, despite having nothing whatsoever to do (necessarily) with Lightfoot (except maybe in the Great Lakes States), to poke fun at ourselves, thereby beating others to the punch at the needling we would get anyway.

Folllowing are the rest of Coloradoan jokes, which may not make sense to anybody but a Coloradoan on many, but afterwards, I at least would get a laugh out of hearing from your homestate, or state of targeted uhm, (how would Bush, Jr. put it?) "Humourisms" :rolleyes:

Coloradoans:

You know you live in CO ... If...‏:

A winter statistic:
98% OF AMERICANS SAY 'OH $HIT' BEFORE
GOING IN THE DITCH ON A SLIPPERY ROAD.

THE OTHER 2% ARE FROM COLORADO
AND THEY SAY, 'HOLD MY BEER AND WATCH THIS.!!!!!! Raucous laughline...

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You know someone is NOT from Colorado if they are both scared-to-death
on Trail-Ridge Road; and can be caught at the top dripping their drinks on
the ground to see if one drop goes to the Atlantic, and two feet over,
the other goes to the Pacific....and yell "snow" "snow" in July....-----------------------------------------------------------------
You're from Colorado if
You'll eat ice cream in the winter.
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When the weather report says it's going to be 65 degrees,
you shave your legs and wear a skirt.
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It snows 5 inches and you don't expect school to be cancelled.
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You'll wear flip flops every day of the year, regardless of
temperature.
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You have no accent at all, but can hear other people's. And
then you make fun of them.
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'Humid' is over 25%.
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Your sense of direction is: Toward the mountains and Away
from the mountains.
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You say 'the interstate' and everybody knows which one.
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You think that May is a totally normal month for a blizzard.
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a 3-footer in the 4th week of May is no biggie over 7000 ft.
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a 2-footer in town the 1st week of June is no biggie over 9000 ft.
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You will wear leather heavy backpacking/flex crampon'able
boots with a business suit in winter;and know what those are.
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You'll wear Vibram lug trail runners in the summer,
and know what those are....-------------------------------------------------------
Instead of a decent briefcase, you'll shlep a Cordura
North Face Day & 1/2'er by one strap, and you could
and you know what that is, and what you could
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You always wear a Leatherman, or Swiss Army Champ
on your belt; even with a suit, and know what those are.
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You know what "fourteeners" are, and if you are from Boulder,
you know how many there are, and have been on them all.
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You're a college student that intelligently wears both shoulder
straps on their daypack; which is tantamount to wearing a poster-board
that says "I'm from out-of-state, a freshman, and..my folks are loaded.---------------------------------------------------------
You are a college student, and you know that no matter how stuggling financially you are, you ride a fore&aft suspension 88-speed mountain bicycle around campus, and you never, ever, ride a street bicycle, which screams: "I'm from out-of-state" & a freshman.--------------------------------------------------------
You know every mountain tourist-town has 2 Christmas gift-shops open
in the summer, & sell tree ornaments, and misc. Holiday items, and call those items "knick-knacks" if you're from Minnesota or Wisconsin.---------------------------------------------------------
You live in Boulder, or any town over 7000 feet, and carry the
"ten-essentials" at all times in your day and 1/2-er. And, if you
live over 9000 feet, you carry both the European and USA list.----------------------------------------------------------
You know what the full-services town over 10,000 feet is called, and
why the metal its named after is not nor has it been the minng ore.
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You know the TV show South Park is not really a town in Colorado,
but one of three distinct Park-like regions of immense basins in Co.
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You know if you wear a pro-nuclear power anti-fossil fuels
bumper-sticker in your hybrid SUV in Boulder, you'll be shot by a
$60,000 V-8 4wd SUV owner that gets 10 mpg around town.
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You know that snow-mobiles are not reliable for essential supllies
when you can't plow off-road to your mountain home in May.-------------------------------------------------------------
You buy your flowers to set out on Mother's day, but try
and hold off planting them until just before Father's day.
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You grew up planning your Halloween costumes around your coat.
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You know what the Continental Divide is.
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You don't think Coors beer is that big a deal.
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You went to Casa Bonita as a kid, and as an adult.
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You've gone off-roading in a vehicle that was never intended
for such activities.
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You always know the elevation of where you are. Because...
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Your watch has GPS, Elevation, Weather,& elec.compass
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You know those year-round flip-flops in Boulder are Birk's, and
the native population wears ragg-wool sox with them for winter.
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You can actually see the Milky Way as a clear band across the sky.??????

Your turn

What about YOUR state ?

Or maybe, the denizens of that state next-door ?

~geo steve , a Coloradoan, who knows his house is at 6202 ft.

[Borderstone]

1. Your only vacation destinations are The Grand Canyon,Flagstaff,Tucson & Yuma.

2. All of your everyday conversations revolve around these topics :
"It's A Dry Heat",
"It's so humid",
"When's it gonna rain?"
"I remember when it got to 122 degrees back in ....."
also The Diamondbacks,The Phoenix Suns and the losing record of the Cardinals football team.

3. The news anchors are the same one's that were there over 30 years ago! :eek:

4. You keep talking about how much you hate AZ/Phoenix or other surrounding cities but never move away.

5. You're wardrobe consisits of nothing but shorts,T-Shirts,flip-flops and gosh awful green visor caps! :biggrin:

6. You have skin tone & color like actor George Hamilton! LOL!!

7. The only TV show you ever watch is "Alice".

8. You still think of the Bob Crane incident of 1978 as the biggest news story of the century.

9. You still think of Arizona as the last formed in the Union.

10. You mistake a drawing of a square as a map of Phoenix! LOL!! x 2!

11. The only artists you listen too are Marty Robbins,Alice Cooper,Linda Ronstadt,The Gin Blossoms,Jordin Sparks and Stevie Nicks (as well as Fleetwood Mac, because she's in the group).

12. You only call their oldies station 94.5 Kool Fm to request Gordon's "Carefree Highway" & "Arizona" by Mark Lindsay and the afore mentioned artists. :biggrin:

[BILLW]

You know more than 10 people who own boats and they all park them at the same marina in Ocean City.

You can pronounce and spell "Pocomoke," "Mattaponi," "Accokeek,"
and "Havre de Grace"

You pronouce Baltimore as 'Bawdimor' or Bawlmer

You prononce "Bowie" BOO-ie not BOW-ie or BAUW-ie

You have more than three recipies for crabcakes

French fries just don't taste right without Old Bay

There are more than two crab places in your town

Even your high school cafeteria made good crabcakes

You call all turtles "terrapins"

You refer to your state as "Merlind"

Your mother shops at Hecht's

You still call Six Flags America "Adventure World", or even "Wild World"

You still remember the Wild World commercial (Wild World's the cure for the summertime blues!)

You can tell the difference between the smells of septic and marsh.

You not only know how to eat hard crabs but you also know how to catch them, cook them and tell the males from the females.

You don't think that Assawoman Bay is a strange name for a body of water.

You know perfectly well why Rehoboth is called "Little San Francisco"

M R Ducks makes perfect sense.

So does C M Wangs.

You think Salisbury is a big city.

You think of dumplings as wet slippery squares of boiled dough.

You've eaten muskrat at a church dinner

You think of "Dairy Queen" as a pageant title and not a place to get an ice cream.

"Formal wear" is a ball cap, a flannel shirt and Timberlands.

You still root for the Orioles even when they suck

You'll never understand why tourists come to DC.

When in Florida, you can only laugh when you see signs saying "Real Maryland Blue Crab Cakes!"

You color with "Crowns", take a "Share" with "Wooter" and think the president lives in "Warshenton."

During the summer, you spend more time in Ocean City than at home.

In warm weather, you sit out on your stoop

When the forecast calls for snow, you PANIC!

You actually get these jokes and pass them on to other friends from Maryland.

Bill :)

We've been here for 19 years and my daughter has rights as a native. However my wife and I
are not "from here" but "come here".

I actually get/do about 98% of these but being FROM NYC I don't panic when it snows, LOL.

[geodeticman.5]

Borderstone & BillW:

LOL .. LOL those..we're so good... I uh...
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uh - I love them lol ....I am actually laughing out loud now...


Please - more posts - more states.....make -'em if you have too...lol


Thanks guys you brightened my day..........

~geo steve -------------!!!!----------

[Sundown17]

You know you're in New Hampshire when:

Your idea of a traffic jam is 10 cars waiting to pas a tractor on the
highway.

Vacation means going up north to Pittsburg for the weekend.

You measure distance in hours.

You know several people that have hit deer more than once.

You often switch from "heat" to "A/C" in the same day and back again.

You use a down comforter in the summer.

You drive at 65mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard,
without flinching.

You see people wearing hunting clothes at social events. Jacket and tie with LL Beans, just ask any real estate agent or politician (maybe a school principal or two)

You install security lights on your house and garage and leave both
unlocked.

You think of the major food groups as venison, beer, fish, and berries.

You carry jumper cables in your car and your girlfriend knows how to use
them.

There are 7 empty cars running in the parking lot at the local IGA at any
given time.

You design your kids Halloween costume to fit over a snowsuit.

Driving is better in winter because all the potholes are filled with
snow.

You know all four seasons: almost winter, winter, still winter, and
road construction.

It takes you 3 hours to go to the store for an item even when you're in
a hurry because you have to stop and talk to everyone in town.

You buy your Christmas presents at the feed and grain or hardware store.

You define summer as three months of bad sledding.

Snow tires come standard on all your cars.

You can identify a Massachusetts accent.

You know what cow-tipping is.

Down South to you means Boston.

You consider Manchester exotic.

You don't have a coughing fit from one sip of Ballantine Ale.

You know what a bubbler is.

Your neighbor throws a party to celebrate his new machine shed.

You can recognize someone from Massachusetts from their driving.

You were unaware there is a legal drinking age.

You can visit Berlin, New London, Bethlehem, Lisbon, Lebanon and Dublin
all in one afternoon.

You only know three spices: salt, pepper, and ketchup.

You've seen mosquitos with landing lights.

The local paper covers major headlines on one page, but requires for
pages for sports.

At least twice a year, your kitchen doubles as a meat processing plant.

Your snow blower gets stuck on the roof.

You find 0 degrees a little chilly.

Contoocook, Winnepesaukee, Winnesquam, Mooselauk, Androscoggin, Pemigewassett, Piscatequog, Ammonoosuc, Ashuelot, Minnewawa, Souhegan, Wonalancet and Kancamagus are all geographic names you need to know and pronounce.

You might be a native if you still refer to Manchester as "Amoskeag".

Not only is the first day of deer season a NH National Holiday, employers know that whatever week you prefer to hunt in deer season they need to plan for you not being at work. No buts about it. Some companies, like Sturm, Ruger, shut down for a few weeks during deer season to do retooling.

Been to Etna, Milan, Dover, and Leavenworth on the same afternoon, too, ayup.


Diane (who's lived in NH for most of my adult years but will always be a considered flatlander from Massachusetts, lol)

[Jenney]

[QUOTE=podunklander;141654]You Know You're a Connecticut resident if...

You eat grinders, the rest of the country eats submarine sandwichs....

Your entire wardrobe consists of various black items with an occasional navy blue item thrown in.


You purse your lips in disdain rather than lean on your car horn


You laugh when your friend from New Hampshire (Diane) talks about city traffic in Concord NH....

[Borderstone]

Hey GEO,thsnks! :) Glad you liked it! I just added two more reasons to my Arizona list. ;)

Sad thing is....all of these things are true!! :eek: LOL!!!

[geodeticman.5]

Podunk, Sundown17, & Jenney,
These are great ROFLMAO ....I had no idea lists like these existed for other states,too. LOL The Coloradoan ones are a whole set going around everybody's e-mail currently, are you guys getting those that way , or did you make some up, too ?...........
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And Borderstone, I saw the ones you added, lol yours were great, too. That inspired me to add one more to Coloradoans, which I did; what with our big 14,000 ft. mountains, all 52 of 'em. Yes thanks, I did really get a hoot B-stone. :)

I love 'em, the ones you guys wrote...... driving seems to be a big theme..... In Estes Park, my High School alma mater up in the mountains here, living in a little tourist town was a hoot most of the time in the summer; you could always tell the tourists from the locals by the way they dressed and drove. In the summer we'd sorta...make fun of the tourists with relatively err...harmless pranks.

- like glueing a half-dollar down on the sidewalk of the big little mainstreet giftshop promenade intersection with the "spur" road up to the National Park, and watch people from across the intersection bend over to pick em up, scrape-scrape. coudn't get 'em. Course. it was only funny if it was an adult, I don't remember seeing little kids be dissapointed... That one's a classic, though.

Then of course, standing at the same intersection to Rocky Mtn. Nat'l Park, we'd wait for a full 30-foot long Buick VistaWagon - classic 70's Land Yacht, full of , oh say 6 people in the family, car reeking of stinky feet in the back; Stuckey's going bad on the dash, orange peels on the floor, you know the drill. Well they'd drive by, looking at everything like they were on Mars, and we'd catch the station wagon go by, and 3 or 4 of us "locals" would all shout and point up at the same point in the sky, another classic. Of course, they'd all fall for it, except the elderly, who were suspicious of all behaviour to begin with LOL....and the family would roll the windows down (remember THOSE windows?), hang out and stare up in the sky, looking for the non-existant spaceship or whatever we were pointing at they imagined....and of course we'd laugh our a**es off, and about half of 'em would figure it out.

Working at the gas station in the summer was pre-requisite for most of the guys.

The most heinous gag was to tell tourists, when in Estes Park allready, they'd ask how to get to Estes Park, and the boldest of the locals (or meanest lol) would tell them to take one highway (the one they did NOT come up from Lyons, Co on),that would take them all the way back out of the mountains back to Lyons, then look for the other highway (the other of the two that went up to Estes from Lyons, forming one big circle, and take that up to Estes Park(you didn't tell 'em that, just "take HWY # "( ) [not used yet by them] and then "look for Hwy # ( ) [ the other one they used to begin with, where they'd usually figure it out] and they'd take about 2 hours in the full circuit, coming back mad.....) and they would usually look for you at the station when back in town to chew you or your boss out (not me, I didn't do it..).

It was the ones that didn't get mad you'd worry about, that sailed on by later, looking very happy and blissful...full of taffy..lol......; classics. Then, once they knew they WERE in Estes Park ALLREADY to begin with, they'd get over that, and ask how to get to the National PARK. oh no.....

That had a full circuit as well that was bogus to tell them, and it would return them to town about an hour later, having missed the National park proper by only a few miles, and ultimately having to go through the park toll both twice. High School kids can be mean. Real mean. Local mean. Especially the "Townies" that were at the gas station longer than summer, for permanent, and REALLY needed entertainment by around 20 or so. That was MEAN.

My Dad, in the family wagon , never fell for it, Mantovani on the radio, and quart thermos of coffee beside em, me and my brother fighting in the back over who's foot got on the transmission hump; dogs getting sick in the back.... ah vacations. Dad was too smart to fall for the circuits, he'd actually LOOK AT THE MAP and KNOW WHERE HE WAS, AND WAS GOING.....quite the concept....lol.

I guess all that leads simply to: working at the gas station, mentally tallying the native habits of various state's residents when patterns appeared, and there were three states most likely to fall for the 'circuits hands down, but in all fairness, there was a preponderance of people from those states anyway, of course there were more "gullables" to count from those 3, but still..... Which states you say ? lol I don't want to offend anyone....but they are between Iowa, and Pennsylvania on Highway I-80, thats all I'll say. And I'm from one of 'em, before we moved to Colorado. One of the ....challenged, as it were.

Who else has some, even one or a few, from their state, or the one next over....?

Best laughs I've had in weeks....:clap::biggrin:

~geo steve

[charlene]

You Know You LIve in TORONTO:

A really great parking spot can move you to tears.

You can recommend about 3 good body piercing parlours.

You realize there are far more rainbow flags in the city than Canadian Flags.

When the temperature rises above zero degrees, you yell "Woohooo! Patio weather!"

You enjoy watching channel 47 multicultural TV

You haven`t been to the CN Tower since you were six, but still have nightmares about that damn turbo elevator.

You`ve had at least 3 bicycles stolen in the past 10 years.

A man gets on the subway in full leather regalia and
crotchless chaps. You don't even notice.

The guy at 8:30 a.m. at Starbucks wearing the baseball
cap and sunglasses who looks like George Clooney actually is George
Clooney.

Your hairdresser is straight, your plumber is gay, the
woman who delivers your mail is into S & M and your Mary Kay rep is a guy in drag.

It's barely snowing and there's a report on every news
station about "STORM WATCH 2004."

You pass an elementary school playground and the children
are all busy with their cell phones or pagers.

It's barely sprinkling rain outside, so you leave for
work an hour early to avoid all the weather-related accidents.

Both you AND your dog have therapists

You`ve fantasized about having sex in Casa Loma

At least 3 of your friends have moved to Vancouver

You never, never, never swim in the lake

You know "The Beaches" are really called "The Beach", but still say "The Beaches" just to annoy all the nitwits who live there

You ever had a birthday party at the Organ Grinder or The Mad Hatter or The Old Spaghetti Factory.

You can say "world`s tallest freestanding structure" ten times fast

You know the correct answer to "Where do shopping carts go to die?" is "The Don River"

You speak better Chinese than French

The word "cabbagetown" doesn`t strike you as particularily amusing

Castle Frank subway station remains one of the great mysteries of the universe for you.

You don`t know where Fort York is, but have a vague recollection of being there in a past life

You know where to find Dim Sum, Sushi, Curry, Pad Thai at 3 am on a weeknight

For the last time, it`s pronounced `TRONNA`!

It takes you half an hour to get to work by TTC and you are the envy of all your friends.

You mourned the death of the Spadina Bus.

You laugh heartily at people who refer to highway four hundred and one instead of 4 oh 1.

You`ve taken the vomit comit.

You can manuver your bike across Queen st. without getting caught in the streetcar tracks.

You know the difference between souvlaki, moussaka and spanakoptia.

You can name at least three locations of The Beer Store that are open till 11 PM.

You have NEVER been to the Hard Rock Cafe

You pass up on an overpriced $3 coffee from Starbucks for a box of Timbits and a coffee from Tim Horton's

You wish to see the day the Leafs will win their first cup since 1967

You know Yonge St. is the longest street in the world

You have friends from the US dying to come over to take advantage of the 19 and over drinking age

You're proud great actors like Jim Carey, Mike Myers, and John Candy are from your hometown.

Acronyms like "da T-Dot" puzzle our friends across the border

Y-TV was your favorite TV station growing up

You know what the P.A.T.H. is

During the World Cup, you don't feel like you live in Canada anymore

ATM machines have instructions written in english and chinese

You're not surprised when you've been waiting for an hour in the freezing cold for the TTC and 4 buses or streetcars come at once.

You play dodge the crackhead while driving at Sherbourne and Dundas

After a blizzard and with all the snow, bikers still seem to control the streets (and seem to cause the traffic jams too)

You start to wonder how far you can punt a pidgeon...

You try to pass off a dime as a TTC token when you think the subway man isnt watching!!!

when you live a systemic life everyday like a robot and the government takes away most of you money on 14% tax !!! and income tax

you can spot the out-of-town'er because of their slow walking habits. HATE THAT!

you go to the ex every year even though you realize its slowly getting worse with each passing year...

you see your former mayor on TV in an old-fashionned prison jump suit trying to sell you a discount-priced sofa.

You would love it if the subway was 24 hours, but know it will never happen.

when you like to tell ppl that Kiefer Sutherland lived for most of his life here

you get excited when you find out that a movie was filmed in Toronto...and then proceed to criticize how shit the movie was after watching it

you join a group on facebook called 'You know you're from Toronto when... ;)

you stop to count how many lights are blown out on the Sam the Record man sign

you dont get startled anymore by the guy at Yonge and Dundas who always suddenly yells when you least expect it "JESUS!! saaaves"

Your co-workers have eight body piercings and none are
visible.

You make more than $300,000 and still can't afford a
house.

Your child's 3rd-grade teacher has purple hair, a nose
ring and is named Breeze.

You've been to a baby shower that has two mothers and a
sperm donor.

You "rrrroll up the rim" to win at Tim Horton's and always lose..

When you see Gordon Lightfoot walking on Yonge St. and nobody notices him but if they do they just wave and say 'hi'..




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You actually get these jokes and pass them on to other friends from Toronto.

[podunklander]

Charlene's swearing again :eek:

[RM]

Charlene's swearing again :eek:

It may be a hopeless cause. After reading the lines about Tronna, it doesn't surprise me.

[charlene]

;)

after being down east in Nova Scotia amongst the sailboats and schooners etc. I am now swearing like a sailor..
oh wait..
I always did..lol

[Sundown17]

Jenney and Pam...hehehe

Steve, I must confess I found my list on the 'net. I do get them via email too, just not recently, so I had to cheat. :)

However, if I were to make one up it would be something like this...

You know you are in NH when your employer translates the state motto "Live free or Die" as "Live for free, then die" and pays you accordingly.

Diane

[geodeticman.5]

Sundown17
LOL yes living for free is close to the proverb in both Boulder and Estes Park, that is to say "It is a priveledge to live in Estes park (or Boulder), and thus, the rationalization of the fact that salary surveys for the area government workers do not include the Denver area, because that would take a non-living wage up to peanuts x 1.5 lol

s'ok - I got mine off of e-mail, but made up a few in green for Colorado when I saw B-stone inspired to do so.

Char - I loved yours as well lol, yes-you are swearin like a sailor, but are you speaking with a burrr or a brroughe after being in New Scotland ? :)

~geo steve

[podunklander]

Sundown17
LOL yes living for free is close to the provern in both Boulder and Estes Park, that is to say "It is a priveledge to live in Estes park (or Boulder), and thus, the rationalization of the fact that salary surveys for the area ogovernment workers do not include the Denver area, because that would rake a non-living wage up to peanuts *1.5 lol

s'ok - I got mine off of e-mail, but made up a few in green for Colorado when I saw B-stone inspired to do so.

Car - I loved yours as well lol, yes-you are swearin like a sailor, but are you speaking with a burrr or a brroughe after being in New Scotland ? :)

~geo steve

I kept thinking Estes sounded familiar to me - I've seen many photos of it from the 30's ...there was CCC camp there.

[geodeticman.5]

podunklander, re:
I kept thinking Estes sounded familiar to me - I've seen many photos of it from the 30's ...there was (a) CCC camp there.

Yes - the Civilian Conservation Corps (the CCC for the benefit of anyone else)
did a lot of work in Rocky Mountain National Park. If memory serves me correctly, the work force was a saving grace for the depression-weary and broke Nation. FDR concieved of the program as a part of his "square deal", with one tenet of the CCC being, roughly: "For every man a job, a chicken in every pot" I believe was the admirable saw. I've read that some of the finest carving in stone by Scotish and other immigrant masons, and woodwork by early joiners from many countries comprised a diverse workforce of skilled craftsmen and labourers.

In Estes, they built gov't housing still intact on the old-town 1st - 6th steets, where "cracker-box" houses painted colorfully to break-up the monotony were provided to the workers, since then they went to Forest Service Workers for awhile; then the Korean War aftermath changed them to private sector houses sold initially at auction.

Up in the National Park, there work was both dangerous and ingenuous. They built the indigenous-rock stone road-side delimters up on Trail Ridge Road, the nations highest , continuous, paved Interstate highway, going from 8000 ft. Estes Park and on down to Lyons and the plains, up and over aproximately 75 miles from Estes to Grand Lake, in its Grandest in the grand post-WWII years. It crosses the Continental divide in the process at over 12,200 ft, and then from Grand Lake at aproximately 9000 ft., a popular summer resort no longer in its heyday, through Grandby (Estes High School Football nemesis) on to rejoin I70, Colorado major E-W Interstate.

In the winter, Trail Ridge of course closes down, and shuts Estes Park off to getting out of town to the west, and adds 250 miles to a day trip over to Lake Dillon, Vail, Breckenridge, Keystone, etc. for skiing in winter, mtn biking et al in summer. The CCC also built most of the National Park infrastructure, housing, headqaurters, campgrounds, etc. They also carved out Trail Ridge Road itself, starting from the rough track made by the former Ute Indian Nation's Ute Trail over the divide, and in fact the trail went all the way down from Estes to Lyons, and out "the Ute Highway" now hwy66, straight out to the East and what now is Platteville, and its infamous Fort St. Vrain Nuclear reactor, named after French Trappeur named Ceran St. Vrain, after whom numerous geographic features are named in the area and the Indian Peaks Wilderness, where I have spent most of my life Backpacking and snowcaveing.

The Reactor, Fort St. Vrain, you may have read about; it is the only experimental graphite-carbon core nuclear reactor vessel in the country, and was shut down inthe 80's as I recall because of inexplicable minute core-temperature fluxuations thought to be from a crack in the core, but otherwise operated perfectly. Its dismantling and reclamation (we call the Bureau of Reclamation "The Nation's Reservoir, Damn, and hydro-electric power Service" around here known as "The Wreck" .

Around the Country, primarily on Public Lands and National Parks, etc., the CCC did some of the finest craftmanship on staggering scale beautiful works such as The Grand Yellowstone Lodge at Old Faithful, The huge namesake' lodge similarly at Yosemite, Teton's Jenney Lake Lodge & area, etc etc, all over. Notable to me are the skilled carvers of stone and wood, that did such painstakngly beautiful work in near-permanent epitaphs to the countries heritage. Even in NY city, amd I believe several monuments there and gov't buildings, and the kind of masonry and wood carving one could only dream of on Public works dollars in todays economy.

In fact, locally, Jefferson County (Colorado's largest and richest per capita) built in the 1980's an immense Masonry County Seat Building done in Jeffersonian Style, with a Monticello-style huge central round atrium; perhaps 200 feet across, and 100 feet high inside, with roundtable-style halls offto various wings of the all-curves building. Its basement, panelled in rich walnut veneers even housed 5 restaurants at the times I had business there ! In a county courthouse ! It was built so beautifully, that in todays economy, 3 out of 5 commissioners were de-throned in a voter-demonstration of required frugality in tax-based public structures for government workers. Having sat in many meetings and seminars over the years there, I was always struck by the anachronistic style that harkened to such beautiful works as done by the CCC then. Never again, now, with todays voters' tax-burdened public dollars. THAT was the message sent loud and clear through the state and region for the best way to lose an election , or your seat at the moment, and be thrown-out the door by the seat of your pants as an elected official.

Thanks, Podunklander, the CCC made a lot of fond memories with family possible for me in the National Park.

[geodeticman.5]

Podunk - wow ! thanks for the correction and expansion on the CCC et al.... my knowledge pales compared to yours on this....I am still assimilating for the collective....can you upload again.....as there was an ion storm at the moment you transmitted...my divergant mind needs to converge..... non-sequiter...does not follow..nonsequiter... does not follow...please wait while I re-assimilate into relational divergant database and stem,conflate, and index all categories... thank you Podunk..lol

[geodeticman.5]

Thanks Podunklander - I have an idea - " you know you are a CCC'er if you ( )", and we'll kill two birds with one stone. ! The thread....and the ...CCC thing.... you know..lol

[podunklander]

Thanks Podunklander - I have an idea - " you know you are a CCC'er if you ( )", and we'll kill two birds with one stone. ! The thread....and the ...CCC thing.... you know..lol

Oh sheesh...I guess I was being the queen of going off topic again :biggrin: see whatcha get for getting me going???!!

[jj]

You Know You LIve in TORONTO:
you go to the ex every year even though you realize its slowly getting worse with each passing year...


agh, true, looks like I'll miss this year...didya go? anything new?

or rather, what cool old stuff did they eliminate (ie. pave over)?

[RM]

you go to the ex every year even though you realize its slowly getting worse with each passing year...


Since I'm not from Toronto, the meaning of this one eludes me. What is the "ex" ?

[jj]

ahhh, in days gone by, I believe it could be said that not only every Torontonian but perhaps every Canadian would have attended at some point

so, what is the ex?....the answer at http://theex.com/ of course, lol

[charlene]

ah yes - the EX..haven't been in years..used to love it.. at night...
;)

[geodeticman.5]

I'll bite lol....whats the EX ? The "EL" in Chicago was the elevated electric trsnsit trasit trains. I hazard a guess the EX is an abbreviation for a public utility or infrastructure of some kind ? Or maybe I am an idiote and EX is EXplained on pg 1.... I will go look then delete this if that is the case lol... brb...

[geodeticman.5]

OK all I could find of Charlene's original mention of "ex" or "EX'was this

you go to the ex every year even though you realize its slowly getting worse with each passing year...

so, while its a given that these are meant to be in part arcane by definition to non-residents, and hence, half of the insider humour; RM Ron and I are wonderin'..what in the he** is the EX ? First read several days ago I thought you meant the "ex" as in ex-hubby or boyfriend, etc., until I read the "ah-yes the EX" from others lol.... I am so out-of-the-Tranna -loop its not even funny.... I am at a definate disadvantage..... RON BACK ME UP HERE....course, I deliberately put cryptic and arcane terms any coloradoan would know in , and many out-o-state , or even in -state flatlanders would say huh ? on ....

so I live in a proverbial glass house... and msut not raise stones eh ? OK. have yer little insider jokes..... I'll get Brink and..and...uhm... yeah there is one lady up in Craig, Colo.- we'll talk witty and sparkling cryptic reparte in colorado-ese, and even worse, Boulder-ese, or Aspen-ese..... lol... and you'll be OUTSIDERS....and we will speak and nod knowingly to one another.... like cliques in High School.... lol
j/k guys - glad yer enjoying the thread..... :) :)

[RM]

jj,

Thanks for the link. Okay, so the "ex" is a gigantic, yearly fair at a location that once served as the site for the 1967 World's Fair. Is that where the Montreal Expos (now Washington Nationals) team name came from ? Am I even close ?

[jj]

so, what is the ex?....the answer at http://theex.com/ of course, lol

I shouldn't have teased, it's the ancient Canadian National "Ex"hibition

a few old buildings remain as well as the Prince's Gates live on...the CFL Argonauts used to play at the good ol' CNE stadium then the Blue Jays joined in 1977 after it received an ugly facelift and was renamed to Exhibition Stadium...now the Leafs farm team plays in a revamped old building on the grounds as well the mighty (lol) Toronto FC

anyhow, CNE Stadium is long gone...some of our finest childhood and teen memories took place in and around that venue

...they basically paved paradise and put up a parking lot (and a concrete/aluminum soccer field)

[RM]

Thanks for the clarification.

[jj]

jj,

Thanks for the link. Okay, so the "ex" is a gigantic, yearly fair at a location that once served as the site for the 1967 World's Fair. Is that where the Montreal Expos (now Washington Nationals) team name came from ? Am I even close ?

wow, now I'm confused...this is like a who's on first exchange, ha....world fair? hmmm, "Ex"po '67 was in Montreal in 1967, duh...so that's a different ex, lol

actually our ex is like and ex-lover...most now avoid it at all costs, lol

the Montreal Expos played at Jerry Park then at Olympic Stadium following the 1976 Olympics....it's odd, but i followed baseball and the NL much more closely back during Expos telecast days, before the Jays arrived

anyhow, I used to work at the EX (18 day marathons) and clearly recall it being SO popular that I could not move at all when venturing down the midway...years earlier, the family would visit and our folks would let sis and I (probably a mere 5 and 7 years of age) wander throughout on our own and we'd all meet at 10pm at a chosen fountain or tower... we used to take shortcuts through dark alleys, etc...it was either safer back then or our rural-bred family was just naive and fortunate city creeps didn't bonk us on the head and steal our $allowance

char, there was a chincey but moving Memory Lane exhibit there last year

[podunklander]

ah perhaps this is why the Big E (which is just around the corner) is not referred to as the "EX"...so as to not confuse it with another popular expo. haha

[jj]

ahh, could be, pam...i should point out that Montreal has the Big O (standing for Olympic, but more accurately representing the BIG OWE that taxpayers were left with for decades following the '76 Olympics

btw, for old building lovers, i found some misc CNE pics
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.explace.on.ca/ArchivesWeb/images/v05_01_tn.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.explace.on.ca/ArchivesWeb/v04.htm&h=188&w=400&sz=40&hl=en&start=19&um=1&usg=__PzPFYy7o7lx6cL2J_3PCNbuOI1s=&tbnid=1R5coVi1O0rrQM:&tbnh=58&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dexhibition%2Bstadium%2Btoronto%26imgs z%3Dsmall%257Cmedium%257Clarge%257Cxlarge%26as_st% 3Dy%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

sorry to take us offtrack....that Toronto list char posted was quite accurate:)

[charlene]

jj posted a link to the wonderful old lady we call the EX here in Toronto..
(nothing like the "Ex" I have in my personal life..lol)

yep - so many great memories..the FOOD building! yummy..the concerts at the stadium, the ball games..the rodeos, the midway and the carny games, the weirdos, the magic of riding the aerial tram across the grounds at night..wow..The old wooden roller coaster and the "do ya wanna go faster" on the rides.. (Howie Mandel used to work there but not for long tho-lol)
The Hockey Hall of Fame was on the grounds back then - open all year but we always went during the EX..
I never worked there but went every year..coming home from North Ontario in time for a visit before school started when we were younger and when we were old enough to go on our own we'd go several times..The Bandshell, the clock tower where you'd arrange to meet people..the beautiful gardens, the Horse Palace..the views of the lake from the double ferris wheel..the ice cream waffle sandwiches and candied peanuts, perogies and candy floss and then a ride on the Zipper! PUKE!!!!!!
lol
and the air show with the Snowbirds and many other planes from around the world..
the subliminal message that summer was over and school was beginning soon..
taking my own kids when they were little and seeing it fresh and innocently again thru their eyes....

http://www.theex.com/site.php

[BILLW]

Man Char what excellent imagery, I feel like I was there. Reminds me of why I have a love/hate relationship with our Labor Day Weekend down here. Lots of fun things to do but it meant that Summer was over and school started on Tuesday.

Even now when school starts in August (ughh) and I don't get all Summer off (like my wife does) I still get creeped out by this weekend. Don't suggest therapy, it's way too late for that. And in a fit of karmic retribution I have been tasked with a 12 hour shift on Monday/Labor Day so I don't have to worry about it, LOL.

Bill :)

[geodeticman.5]

Sorry guys I am on a graveyard circadian rythm from wayback SLEEP DURING the day - its murder to break after 15 years....- I am just now catching up with the EXplanations....lol...Char yes that was vivid imagery - do you guys call candy floss what we call cotton candy ? = spun sugar fluff ? - sticks to your hands with the nuclear bond of super-glue ? lol. So, the EX.... is a... never mind, its a TRanna THING... LOL...sOK - I have my arcane Coloraddy things.... secret passwords, handshakes, terms...etc.

Thanks for the updates guys. WHO CARES IF WE GO OFF THREAD AS LONG AS ITS FUN ?:biggrin::biggrin::clap:

[geodeticman.5]

I just had a blockobuster movie moment - - the "perogies" you mentioned CHAR, were the food of choice the aliens were ordering in "Men IN Black" - after the little jewelry shopkeeper alien and his little alien knowledgable pug dog went to meet the lurch-like alien at the greasy-spoon restaurant. The ..uhm...BUG... crammed in to the body of the waiter from the bug-killer truck, served them "perogies" -yumn- and bugs came out of his (the BIG bug)'s sleeve, the cat with the galaxy on his neck "ORION" escaped, and both the jewelry-store owner and the lurch-guy were near-killed. The lurch-guy turned out to have the tini-little near-dead intersteller peacemaker guy in his robotic body that explained in his dieing breath - that ORION had the galaxy on his collar... and the bad aliens in orbit - must have it..or they'll destroy the world, then he mini-croaks. I hate it when that happens - we've had to deal with things like this in the gov't agencies I've worked in for years...lol j/k .its sad...anyway - the aliens ALL loved PEROGIES ! lol hehe ...uhm.... I thought it was a funny relational link....haha -sigh- Perogies.... Steve walks away....downtrodden. not a part of the 'TRANNA clique with insiders cryptic and arcane cool talk, even reminiscing...-sigh- thats OK, I'll be 'allright guys... LOL :)

[geodeticman.5]

so...all joking aside the "EX" is the CNE stadium - Canadian National EX'hibition eh ? - cool. I got it. I knew it all along yessirree bob, reminds me of when..... lol OK thanks guys..

[charlene]

the stadium was but one part of the Exhibition.. it was torn down years ago and re-built as a new soccer pitch for Toronto FC..

The Toronto Blue Jays began playing at Exhibition Stadium in April '77 - in the snow..
;)
the Toronto Argonaut football team of the CFL (Canadian Football League) played there too..

The Toronto Indy runs thru the grounds every July (Indy now owned by Mario Andretti jr.) and along Lakeshore Blvd.

[geodeticman.5]

Thanls, Char... am I an offical TRANNA insider yet ? -sigh- I don't think so....lol

[charlene]

speaking of the "EX" :
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/toronto/archive/2008/08/29/back-story-the-canadian-national-exhibition.aspx

[jj]

the stadium was but one part of the Exhibition.. it was torn down years ago and re-built as a new soccer pitch for Toronto FC..

The Toronto Blue Jays began playing at Exhibition Stadium in April '77 - in the snow..
;)
the Toronto Argonaut football team of the CFL (Canadian Football League) played there too..


yeah, the 'grandstand' goes way back to the fair's 19th century beginnings (including a few rebuilds, man, so many destructive fires to those nice early structures)...I remember going there for the concerts, hell drivers, demolition derbys, muddy and snowy football, etc before they made it into the concrete nightmare by the lake, Exhibition Stadium, lol (which was our initial effort to attract the San Francisco team here)

still have my Jay opening day ticket stub from 1977...the guy I went there with as a teen is now a Jay VP ..I'm waiting til they make playoffs again before I contact him for tix...I hope he's still employed by then, lol


nearby was Maple Leaf Stadium which is where our minor league ball team played (sparky anderson, mgr)...formerly the park was on the island, Hanlan's Point, and was where the Babe hit his only minor league homer (into the lake)...useless trivia, lol

http://pages.interlog.com/~urbanism/grandstand.html


above, there is a pic of the Flyer (the wooden coaster) and the Bulova clock tower (I still call it the Shell tower / meeting place)...'wanna go faster' was that Polar Express...I went on the Zipper, probably drunk, but would never go on that double ferris wheel again, I'm still scarred!

I loved the new inventions and improved products showcased in the various buildings...I mostly hung out in the Arts, Crafts and Hobbies Bldg....yes, we have candy floss...my teeth hurt when i think of that stuff or candy apples or sponge toffee...i ate in the food building for cheap...usually spaghetti for 25 cents and a large coke for a penny...the Tiny Tom's donuts were a bit more expensive and didn't last long, lol

even when i use the Ex (during the 50 weeks when the fair's not on) as a commuting shortcut, I get nostalgic as i drive over the land where war ensued..ie. where we were invaded, lol...believe there were no weapons of mass or even minor destruction here, and this is still the case, lol

interesting stuff below...who would think years later citizens from both countries and all over the world would be chatting, harmoniously
(for the most part) on the 'net', lol

"The War of 1812. One of the bloodiest episodes of the war was the Battle of York, which started just west of present-day Exhibition Place and advanced eastward through what is now the CNE midway to Fort York. The American advance on York (Toronto), the capital of the British colony of Upper Canada, started at 8 am on April 27, 1813. Although the Americans lost 300 men, they took the town of York by afternoon. Five days later, on May 1st, they burned down the Parliament Building in York before setting sail for home. The British avenged the burning by firing upon the White House in August 1814. The war concluded shortly thereafter and Americans and Canadians have lived in harmony ever since.



On June 12, 1930, the Ancient Arabic Order Nobles of the Mystic Shrine dedicated this bronze monument, the "Peace Memorial," to commemorate over 100 years of peaceful relations between Canada and the United States. In 1958, the fountain and gardens were added and the statue rededicated to the cause of peace. The statue faces the Niagara River, which forms part of the Canada-United States border.


Peace:)

[jj]

And lastly -my son and I in front of the CCC museum in 2000.


cool pics! looks like that tractor needs some greasing:)

[charlene]

I saw many games at Maple Leaf stadium..my love of baseball began there..not when Babe Ruth played however..lol

I could ride that old FLYER for hours.. what a ride..

yep it was the POLAR EXPRESS where the attendant would scream "do Ya Wanna Go Faster?" over the blaring music..


The Bulova Clock tower that became the Shell Tower..

remember me to your VP friend when the Jays get in the playoffs again..
lol

and Howie Mandel story:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/toronto/archive/2007/07/26/my-toronto-howie-mandel.aspx

[jj]

lol, yes I wasn't there for the Babe shot either (but the ball still is in the Lake and worth alot of bucks)...I wasn't there for the 3 prior stadiums that existed between mid 1800's and mid 1900's...neat that you saw the Maple Leafs ball team, I went very few times, bro got to go more

oh, I am pretty sure it's the Bulova tower that came after the Shell tower...also, how could we not mention the pathetic Freak shows! I was shaken up when I'd try and sleep at night after bro taking me in there to see the bearded lady or sasquatch or half man, half woman or dainty dora or the various little people or skinny people or rubber skinned man or reptilian man or the world's chubbiest, minibike riding twins, etc, etc

i have never had a CNE perogie...i am adding it to my bucket list, lol

hey, i'm outta touch on US stuff pretty much but the CNE is not really a Disneyland-type park...maybe the Innoventions building and EPCOT stuff...steve, the CNE is a Canada thing, not just Tranna, lol...btw, they have a Pacific National Ex out in BC...it's called the PNE, get it? lol

speaking of out of touch, I just saw this woman candidate shown on the news...better looking (they say a Miss America runner up?) than our former PM, Kim Campbell...wait, she's for VP not Pres, eh...doesn't look like she's had 5 kids, holy crunches...does the VP become Pres if he were to pass on? we don't have a VP up here... the US elections are complex to me...I'd nominate someone who speaks well and looks good and just let the smart folks behind the scenes make the calls and set up the teleprompter... I like Vanessa Williams for 2012, she got all of these Pres / VP candidate parts rolled into one:)

sure char, I'll get those tix on hold when we reconnect, I'm hoping he's fatter than me, lol...we're were skinny teens...btw, goodbye to Matt Stairs, goodluck

[charlene]

The Freak Show - that's what I meant by weirdos..lol
besides the weirdos just walking around.. ;)

How about trying to get home on the bus/streetcar/GO trainwith those big stuffed animals won at the Birthday Game?
lol
and the guy with the stiff dog collar attached to the 'pretend' dog, who constantly yelled 'here doggie doggie doggie, here doggie doggie doggie" till you wanted to throttle the life out of him!

yeah - bye to "Stumpy" as I called him . I really liked him..
but my goodness that young'un, Travis Snider is adorable..He's 20 like Lisa..hmmm...she LOVES baseball too..

yeah - the EX isn't anything like Disney..it's real and gritty and urban..not like "the happiest place on earth" - that's for sure!

[RM]

.does the VP become Pres if he were to pass on? we don't have a VP up here... the US elections are complex to me...I'd nominate someone who speaks well and looks good and just let the smart folks behind the scenes make the calls and set up the teleprompter

Yes, the VP becomes president if the president is removed from office by death, scandal, or is mentally disabled (such as a massive stroke).

[charlene]

EX-and air show:
http://www.thestar.com/TheEx/article/488055
scroll down to box on right.

[jj]

Yes, the VP becomes president if the president is removed from office by death, scandal, or is mentally disabled (such as a massive stroke).

thanks, I've learned a lot this week... I wish McCain good health, obviously a fine American...I thought this was cute: http://www.peteyandpetunia.com/VoteHere/VoteHere.htm

btw, which SNL cast member will portray that pitbull? or will they have to recruit a new one? they have got Obama and Hillary to a T already...I don't think impersonations of McCain or Biden will be very comical.... the last time I saw SNL (non-repeat) some gal imitated Sharon Ozborne, hilarious

btw, my 3 sisters are seasoned hockey moms and I would have to say they would be better characterized as poodles (and they wear chapstick, not lipstick...it's cold and windy up here)

hope we are still allowed to 'poke fun' at celebrities and candidates here without getting hostile or declaring ghad ...the day I can't make Chretien jokes or post digi-characatures is the day I cancel my ISP subscription, lol

ps) don't you guys have a Rhinocerous party? no country should be without one

[jj]

You measure distance in hours.

You know several people that have hit deer more than once.

You design your kids Halloween costume to fit over a snowsuit.

Driving is better in winter because all the potholes are filled with
snow.




your whole list (actually everybody's!:) ) is great , Diane! ....but these 4 really hit home for me....see, Canada and the USA really are one big common nation when it comes to the challenges of the day:)

ps) my driveway alone has atleast 20 potholes at any given time:(

[Jesse Joe]

lol ! Now that was a funny little video jj... :biggrin: :)

[timetraveler]

I got a big kick out of the You Know You're A ...listings, and if I didn't know better, I'd almost swear that you were also describing many of the people of this state as well.:)

[geodeticman.5]

jj & Char,

stuff...steve, the CNE is a Canada thing, not just Tranna, lol...btw, they have a Pacific National Ex out in BC...it's called the PNE, get it? lol
<snip>
does the VP become Pres if he were to pass on? we don't have a VP up here... the US elections are complex to me...I'd nominate someone who

Hey I fell out of touch with the thread.....just now reading up on the EX definitions, and you two describing the area. The history , like the Battle of York etc, is pretty fascinating. I guess we all have our own areas of knowledge, but I am impressed by what you two know.

jj, as a US citizen, I am embarrassed to say that while I am sure I had to know it for a test in middle school or something, I did NOT know shots were fired on our White House in after the late 1700's and of course after Rev war settled down. but 1813 ?? wow... I have read that The White House , when originally established, was by choice of the first President to live in "it", Adams I believe, but thats a S.W.A.G., and theyhad to pay for their own house maintenance, gardening, cleaning, cooks, everything back then (poor babies just like us regular folk) not like now.

Then the 'staff' was like 9 people, now its over 800 I believe, and the Pres sure as He** does not have to pay for it.
And talk about a pension ! Full pres pay the rest of their natural life - in Clinton's case, I am not sure how 'natural' that is though lol....

jj you asked if the VP passed on to Pres if and when the Pres. died etc. I know Ron answered this well, but I have one iota more; first Ron's expl.

Yes, the VP becomes president if the president is removed from office by death, scandal, or is mentally disabled (such as a massive stroke).

AND, since EVERYTHING in the movies has to be real, or they couldn't put it on TV later.....lol.. There was a movie I am sure you saw with Harrison Ford as Pres. and Glenn Close as VP,' Airforce One' the name. In it was an intrigueing (don't misinterpret that lol) concept I had not thought of, that built on the facts Ron xplained corekkit. In the movie - when the Pres is making the decision to call the Russians and 'just TELL them to take fictitious leader Col. Molestin Yaburpin or whatever the joint USA-Russian War criminal -Terrorist ringleader composite of multiple real life terrorist leaders as in media at the time, and TEll the Russians to let him out, as the cause de celebre for the hijackers, it was stated in the "Situation Room" at the White House, or the Pentagon, they did not make that clear, the Attorney General and the Secretary of State concurred the Pres was NOT the Pres if a quorum of Cabinet Members voted he was not.

In this case, under duress, and not ACTING in the position of Pres, but as a father, lest the FirstLady, and the First Child (lol) be, well, killed. They were passing around the signed affadavit or whatever for Cabinet to sign saying the Pres is not the Pres, thereby making the VP Pres. under circumstances where the Pres was completely "Healthy". I found that interesting, and do not know if it is true. I well imagine it is, eg if the Pres goes on a binder and dances naked on the Lincoln Memorial, in theory, during a crisis, they could rule him "not the pres".

And to simply vouch for Ron's clear "yes" - I'd add that yes, the VP is in 1st Chain of succession, and also (God help us) the Official Head of The Space Program - little known fact. And by the time you get down to the 12th in line, its pretty scarey, like "Chief Seafood Cook' LOL. Oh - in the movie - Glen Close refuses ,as the pivotal last signature, to vote "no" - eg the Pres is STILL the Pres. - and her choice of course rang correct at the end.

BTW - I also appreciate as Podunk said too, the great amount of info and history you guys shared with us; the pics, the stories, macro and micro history for you up there.... very interesting. And Disney World/Epcot etc., to me, IS the happiest place on Earth - except for The Library of Congress, and in specific (the reason..lol) - I have 7 maps on file there in The International ESRI GIS Conference Map and Related Analytical Project Collections.

I placed among 60 - 73 countries, and around 6000 attendees one year, 8000-odd the other year my map and project placed in Plenary session, in 2 different years, 2nd one year, and 3rd place the other, for "Most Analytical Map and Research Project(Paper). Out of all those countries of VASTLY superior Cartographers and Spatial Analysts; I was astounded., truly astonished - from what I saw, I should not have had a prayer. Life is with some Happy Surprises a few times here and there huh ?

Not bragging, just incredibly proud, its 2 of the 3 times I have felt I have truly served my country - (feeling), that heart-swelling genuine Pride, not Hubris.... feeling. Just by having something there that was first on exhibition, then placed into collection in a temp, moisture, and related map hazards-free room i.e. UV light, acetic acid etc., is what made me so proud, and unexpectedly, in and of itself, make me feel patriotic ? - It sure did. Well that was a bit off thread and not meant to be self-serving...it just sorta fit together in context spontaneously.

Well, lol Disney - yes - that place is truly magical, especially when you take your family - seeing it thru children's eyes is genuine magic, and amazing through adults eyes as well... I could have lived there when I visited on my 5 month "sabbatical" when I was still a bachelor. I was actually 'bumming it" or "dead-headding it" - but I did it on money I saved working Lumber Mill. I truly did want to live there, it was so.......fun.

But returning home, geographically and in my heart both - I met Merry within 2 weeks of returning to my little Mountain Burg at 8000 ft in Estes. And Podunk knows all the CCC stuff up there in and around RMNP. Meeting and Marrying Merry there - plucked her right off of a genuine big Ranch - Crocker Ranch - they still exist...made a "grown honest man" out of me, otherwise, - I think I would have been a kid at heart and in actions the rest of my life.... I was truly blessed to have met her. 28 wonderful years, medical hardship for her at the end nowithstanding. Weird what all blends together when people start talking nostalgic memories around you, that come to mind :)

Again, thanks you 2 for the VERY interesting History, and the obvious shared fun and memory bonds of childhood memories there. I hereby drink a toast (of diet pepsi Lime) to Ever-lasting Canada-USA peaceful relations ! HERE HERE,,ahem.. or Hear Hear, whichever it is. I got to go to toastmasters club.
I enjoyed all your .....info